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    It's a joke people "farm" in Alaska, anyways! Make the farmers move or build a fence.

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    Paying farmers for crop damage was discussed very early in the Delta Bison Working Group meetings......IIRC the AG was adamantly opposed to paying for crop damage as it would open Pandora's Box.......claims for moose damage in garden and shrubs, wolves killing pets, seals robbing gill nets, killer whales taking halibut from a long line......I think you see where this goes.

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    I understand where you are coming from Oregon has program for crop damage. But once a farmer/ rancher takes money for crop damage they are obligated by law to allow hunters on there land so alot of them do not take it for that reason. Also every landowner in the lower 48 have there land fenced anyhow and we are talking up to 60,000 plus acres what is so hard to fence 400 acres. Makes me wonder who the good idea fairy is.
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    Fencing the farms is fine by the farmer but he wants you to pay for it....it's all $$$$$$

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    Alaska has the money in the bank, sitting there. I would think this would be a good way to use some of it. Fence in the Farmers and the National Parks. Every inch of them. The keep tabs of the costs, deducting subsidies and cooperatives, until the equitable amount, with interest is saved. The legislature needs to become involved, real quick like, or it will be a lost cause.
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    I agree. Fence them in, but end all subsidies. Take away subsidies and those fields will go back to mother nature. There is no $$ being made without our tax $$ supporting it.

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    Lets move them to an island, and let Jim Shockey have a private reserve that he can charge out of staters $10,000 a wack to shoot one. Problem solved

    Course then I'd never have a chance to get one, and I did just put in for the draw, so never mind.... bad idea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    i agree a personel letter is best. the contact email is more then just leg work. lenny asked that any opinon be sent to him. as he feels about the same as i do. and will be sticking to his guns...

    but even if you just use the form letter, he will have a NUMBER to show folks which is more often; NOT the case when it comes to our issues. to often hunters are not aware, or are too busy to respond and are never counted...
    Thanks for the form letter Vince. It got me moving, so I churched it up a bit and added a little.

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    Subsidies for farming those fields are bull, they add no benefit to Alaskans except the farmers themselves. I say we use those fields to feed even more bison, grow the herd to a few thousand animals, and then we can sell permits to outsiders for ten grand a pop to hunt say 100 of them a year. Then the rest of us will have 500-1000 permits every year to hunt and enjoy filling our freezers with. No fences, as few roads left as possible, and a massive wild herd of bison healthy and thriving. If farmers want to stay farming and not to feed the bison, fence their farms, and let them grow what they want. otherwise grow grain and wild grasses for the bison and lets see how big we can grow them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlpineEarl View Post
    Thanks for the form letter Vince. It got me moving, so I churched it up a bit and added a little.
    So did, the Chair of the Delta AC...

    here it is....

    PUBLIC NOTICE

    There is a movement underway by the Farmers in Delta (Delta Chapter of the Alaska Farm Bureau) to have the State fence the bison herd on State land. Their justification for this action is that: 1) the bison are non-indigenous, exotic and an invasive species; 2) the farmers didn't know the bison were here in Delta when they obtained their land in 1978, even though the bison had been free ranging in the Delta area for 50 years, plus the Agricultural Development planning process by DNR was replete with concerns from ADFG and local citizens of Delta about the impact of bison on farming activities; 3) Farmer's financial obligations (land purchase, land development, production loans, personal property loans, etc) were substantially reduced/forgiven by the State (Citizens of the State lost their investment ($50+ Million) in Delta Agriculture); USDA has dumped millions of dollars ($38 million between 1995 and 2009 alone) in farm subsidies into the Delta Farming Community, AND MOST REFUSE TO FENCE THEIR OWN PROPERTY!

    Dear Delta Bison Working Group. (Via Email lennyJ@alaska.net & fettingsberg@yahoo.com )

    My Name is [Insert your name here] I do not support any proposal that may come before this group that would entail the Fencing of Free Range Bison, or see a reduction of the herd size as a test measure to see if it will reduce crop damage,

    The Delta bison were In Delta prior to the farms. I feel that The Farms should look out for their own interest and fence in crops for profit. To prevent damage by wildlife, as anyone with a private farm or garden is expected to do to prevent damage from Moose or predators on garden or livestock.
    Please leave the Bison Free ranging and accessible to Alaskan user groups as a whole. They are a valuable resource to our economy in many fashions.


    [Your name is]
    [Your address is]
    [A contact Email or phone number is]


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    Who needs a form letter? If you feel strong enough about it, just write it out real quick like. I sent mine in yesterday and it took all of three minutes to do!!!
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    Check out this USDA subsidy list. Good reading if I say so. Makes you wonder why farmers would want this. Interesting thing is, the largest land owner out there is fencing in his OWN property and is not making this an issue.


    Total USDA Subsidies in Alaska, 1995-2009
    Subsidy Recipients 1 to 20 of 2,447
    Recipients of Total USDA Subsidies from farms in Alaska totaled $38,316,000 in from 1995-2009.
    Rank Recipient
    (* ownership information available) Location Total USDA Subsidies
    1995-2009
    1 Schultz Farms Inc ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $1,575,259
    2 Dennis Green
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $877,042
    3 Sawmill Creek Ranch ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $807,222
    4 Pamela M Rule
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $711,764
    5 Eagles' Ridge Community Church ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $687,625
    6 Arctic Rose Farm ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $674,101
    7 Ronald J Robinson
    North Pole, AK 99705 $641,735
    8 Sealaska Corporation
    , AK 99801 $634,602
    9 Theuringer Farm ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $622,296
    10 Transalaska Properties ∗
    Fairbanks, AK 99707 $546,675
    11 Brenda Peterson
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $542,655
    12 John M Robinson
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $526,546
    13 Michael A Schultz
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $520,214
    14 Marlene J Robinson
    North Pole, AK 99705 $519,719
    15 R & B Wrigley Ptn ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $507,258
    16 Dennis Green & Sons ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $500,660
    17 Todd Elsberry
    North Pole, AK 99705 $454,817
    18 Kent E Steele
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $418,132
    19 Ione K Strong Second Trust ∗
    Stockbridge, GA 30281 $412,684
    20 Scott W Schultz
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $371,935
    Next >>
    Rank Recipient
    (* ownership information available) Location Total USDA Subsidies
    1995-2009
    21 Buck & Green ∗
    Woodburn, OR 97071 $360,978
    22 Rachel A Hecker
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $352,605
    23 Stevens Village Ira Council ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $294,811
    24 Brasier Farms ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $293,601
    25 Mabel Emery-taylor
    White Mountain Lake, AZ 85912 $288,771
    26 Childrens Community Foundation In ∗
    Manchester, NH 03101 $277,926
    27 Ward Farms ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $274,990
    28 Clark Davis
    , AK 99762 $269,700
    29 Robert Mudd Jr
    Kodiak, AK 99615 $267,948
    30 Kenneth D Strong
    Stromsburg, NE 68666 $266,746
    31 Tom Gray
    White Mountain, AK 99784 $259,656
    32 Stevens Village Ira Coun
    , AK 99774 $258,972
    33 Marie Fett
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $251,249
    34 Merlene Baskin
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $246,608
    35 Wayne J Brost
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $246,146
    36 Savoonga Reindeer Company
    , AK 99769 $238,100
    37 Coplee International Inc ∗
    Kodiak, AK 99615 $236,852
    38 Stephen Sorensen
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $232,623
    39 Richard Karr
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $216,963
    40 R & R Bison Ranch Inc
    , AK 99737 $216,901
    Rank Recipient
    (* ownership information available) Location Total USDA Subsidies
    1995-2009
    41 Harold J Olson
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $211,974
    42 Bob A Havemeister
    Palmer, AK 99645 $206,256
    43 Leonard Olanna
    , AK 99785 $203,920
    44 Nuniwarmiut Reindeer & Sea
    , AK 99630 $203,250
    45 Peter T Fellman
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $195,152
    46 Nathan Mudd
    Kodiak, AK 99615 $191,684
    47 Gerald F Brehmer
    Fargo, ND 58104 $190,224
    48 Fred G Brown
    Fairbanks, AK 99709 $189,161
    49 Lee Spears
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $183,508
    50 State Of Alaska
    Palmer, AK 99645 $179,948
    51 Gastaldi Farms LLC ∗
    Anchorage, AK 99502 $171,357
    52 Randy Peterson
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $170,386
    53 Venture Development Group
    , AK 99501 $167,497
    54 Janet Sorensen
    Fairbanks, AK 99712 $166,918
    55 Terry Van Wyhe
    Copper Center, AK 99573 $162,743
    56 Joy M Mudd
    , AK 99615 $154,007
    57 Harvey Baskin
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $152,891
    58 Kodiak Game Ranch ∗
    Kodiak, AK 99615 $152,346
    59 Beulah W Olson Estate ∗
    Wasilla, AK 99654 $151,402
    60 Craig Trytten
    Mabel, MN 55954 $147,519
    Rank Recipient
    (* ownership information available) Location Total USDA Subsidies
    1995-2009
    61 Kelly Lankford Ladere
    Willow, AK 99688 $147,476
    62 Michael C Purviance
    Salcha, AK 99714 $144,010
    63 Frank C Heinisch
    Geneva, NE 68361 $141,704
    64 Glen D Franklin
    Fairbanks, AK 99701 $135,585
    65 Alamasu Inc
    , AK 99737 $134,913
    66 Scott R Miller
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $133,981
    67 Misty Mountain Farm ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $132,637
    68 Insanity Acres
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $124,269
    69 Alaska Interior Game Ranch Inc ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $122,274
    70 Copper River Watershed Pro
    , AK 99574 $119,250
    71 Kyle Beus
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $116,967
    72 Fairbanks Drama Assc Inc
    , AK 99701 $116,521
    73 Rena Sue Baughman
    Vale, OR 97918 $113,212
    74 Faye Ongtowasruk
    , AK 99783 $112,200
    75 Lee Fett
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $112,042
    76 Krenitzin Islands Cattle Co
    Akutan, AK 99553 $111,718
    77 Fox River Cattlemen's Assoc ∗
    Homer, AK 99603 $111,591
    78 Karen B Olson
    Wasilla, AK 99654 $106,601
    79 Stephen M Sims
    Anchorage, AK 99507 $104,434
    80 Thomas M Strong
    Lingle, WY 82223 $103,994
    Rank Recipient
    (* ownership information available) Location Total USDA Subsidies
    1995-2009
    81 Flyway Farm L L C ∗
    Anchorage, AK 99518 $102,999
    82 Stanley T Olson
    Fairbanks, AK 99709 $101,417
    83 Grace Theuringer
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $99,963
    84 Edward Giese
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $98,970
    85 Beulah Olson
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $98,273
    86 Rex Poindexter
    , AK 99556 $97,763
    87 Robert Green
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $96,782
    88 Thomas Williams
    Palmer, AK 99645 $93,512
    89 Roger C Hendry
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $92,239
    90 Steve Lupo
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $90,307
    91 Sea Lion Corporation
    , AK 99604 $89,707
    92 Virginia Helkenn
    Glennallen, AK 99588 $85,370
    93 Spears' Farm ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $84,960
    94 Gerry S Tullos
    Soldotna, AK 99669 $83,999
    95 Steven R Helkenn
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $81,203
    96 Kenai Watershed Forum
    , AK 99669 $79,863
    97 Mountain View Farms
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $79,562
    98 Del Ray Hobbs
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $78,673
    99 John M Robinson
    , AK 99705 $77,056
    100 Ronald J Robinson
    , AK 99705 $77,056
    Rank Recipient
    (* ownership information available) Location Total USDA Subsidies
    1995-2009
    101 John Emery
    Apache Junction, AZ 85220 $76,161
    102 Granite View Farms ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $75,007
    103 Delbert R Simineo
    Palmer, AK 99645 $74,617
    104 Robin Wolf
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $73,361
    105 Adam Boyd
    Palmer, AK 99645 $69,468
    106 John B Pinckley
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $69,353
    107 Knopp's Dairy ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $68,483
    108 Veronica P Brost
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $65,791
    109 Roy E Beaver
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $65,641
    110 John Tousignant
    , AK 99706 $65,340
    111 Doug Mccollum
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $64,880
    112 John F Nash
    , AK 99645 $63,891
    113 Sherrie Elsberry
    North Pole, AK 99705 $62,165
    114 Tamara L Van Wyhe
    Copper Center, AK 99573 $61,769
    115 Sven Ebbesson
    Fairbanks, AK 99709 $61,739
    116 Mike Miller
    Girdwood, AK 99587 $61,607
    117 Lance Baskin
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $60,220
    118 Dan Rees
    , AK 99705 $60,156
    119 Neil Schenk
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $59,633
    120 Linda M Spears
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $59,625
    Rank Recipient
    (* ownership information available) Location Total USDA Subsidies
    1995-2009
    121 Columbia Creek Farms ∗
    Fairbanks, AK 99712 $58,458
    122 S & K Farms ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $58,368
    123 Vicki Trytten
    Mabel, MN 55954 $57,780
    124 Tanana Valley Dairy Inc ∗
    Fairbanks, AK 99709 $57,407
    125 Fred G & Evelyn F Heid ∗
    Jamieson, OR 97909 $56,138
    126 Patrick Mcelroy
    Kasilof, AK 99610 $55,764
    127 Richard C Worrell
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $55,754
    128 Gerhard Groeschel
    Anchorage, AK 99510 $53,932
    129 Hamilton Farms Inc
    Palmer, AK 99645 $52,054
    130 Gary A Moritz
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $50,266
    131 Dave Casey
    , AK 99669 $48,662
    132 David Kamrath
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $48,580
    133 Merlin Henry
    Koyuk, AK 99753 $47,994
    134 John H Rutt
    Apache Junction, AZ 85220 $47,818
    135 Harley Olberg
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $47,380
    136 Suzanne K Smith
    , AK 99737 $47,286
    137 Patsy A Moritz
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $46,650
    138 Jess T Ellis
    Anchorage, AK 99516 $46,043
    139 Jim Black
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $44,555
    140 Alaska Farmer's Co-op
    , AK 99737 $44,193
    Recipient
    (* ownership information available) Location Total USDA Subsidies
    1995-2009
    141 Terazapira LLC
    , AK 99709 $43,295
    142 Dave Schmitz
    North Pole, AK 99705 $41,927
    143 Paul Shoen
    Two Rivers, AK 99716 $41,291
    144 David Hecker
    , AK 99654 $39,816
    145 Steve Allen Holcomb
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $39,642
    146 Iliamna View Ranch
    , AK 99603 $39,604
    147 Charles R Hennager
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $39,250
    148 Abby Ala
    Soldotna, AK 99669 $38,585
    149 Sandy A Beus
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $38,492
    150 Delta Building Supply ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $38,378
    151 Todd Pettit
    Palmer, AK 99645 $38,123
    152 Randy D Peterson
    , AK 99737 $37,974
    153 Barbara Carlson
    Fairbanks, AK 99712 $37,395
    154 Joshua M Scott
    , AK 99588 $36,598
    155 Jerome N Filla
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $35,390
    156 Robert A Walker
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $34,660
    157 Scott Peterson
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $34,523
    158 Corey Renee Wilkinson
    , AK 99669 $34,383
    159 Lyle R Hennager
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $34,197
    160 F Bruce Willard
    Homer, AK 99603 $34,180
    Rank Recipient
    (* ownership information available) Location Total USDA Subsidies
    1995-2009
    161 Russell Pinkelman
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $33,509
    162 Carolina Wedgewood LLC
    Fairbanks, AK 99701 $33,000
    163 Debra Roff
    , AK 99672 $32,836
    164 James Carter
    Wasilla, AK 99687 $32,798
    165 Jeffrey K Mcnabb
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $32,416
    166 Sloan Sunderland
    , AK 99645 $32,343
    167 Robert S Boyd
    Palmer, AK 99645 $31,618
    168 Tyonek Native Corporation
    , AK 99501 $30,978
    169 Alaska Chapter Neca
    , AK 99503 $30,432
    170 Louis True
    Kasilof, AK 99610 $29,930
    171 Wilma Tope
    Belle Fourche, SD 57717 $29,824
    172 Jay Tope
    Belle Fourche, SD 57717 $29,810
    173 Patricia L Griswold
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $29,747
    174 Kevin K Frohling
    Palmer, AK 99645 $29,396
    175 Johnson Appraisal Company
    , AK 99515 $29,000
    176 Priscilla Mott
    Soldotna, AK 99669 $28,878
    177 Glacierview Condos
    , AK 99801 $28,669
    178 Northern Lights Dairy Inc ∗
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $28,642
    179 Hara Biesiot-hansen
    , AK 99635 $28,247
    180 Wrigley Farms LLC
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $27,608
    Rank Recipient
    (* ownership information available) Location Total USDA Subsidies
    1995-2009
    181 Omar Stratman
    Kodiak, AK 99615 $26,332
    182 Jon W Dufendach
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $26,269
    183 Carol A Dufendach
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $26,268
    184 Charles W Keaster
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $26,183
    185 Ted L Berry
    Willow, AK 99688 $25,306
    186 Jack Montgomery
    Anchorage, AK 99524 $25,290
    187 Paul Quist
    Fairbanks, AK 99707 $24,948
    188 Frank Martushev
    Homer, AK 99603 $24,840
    189 Stebbins Community Association
    Stebbins, AK 99671 $24,718
    190 Charles Ellis
    Anchorage, AK 99501 $24,494
    191 Maribeth R Miller
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $24,434
    192 Grace Theuringer
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $24,284
    193 John W Theuringer
    Delta Junction, AK 99737 $24,284
    194 Ebbesson Farms ∗
    Nenana, AK 99760 $23,684
    195 Nest Egg Homestead Ent
    , AK 99708 $23,532
    196 Ron Illingworth
    , AK 99705 $23,456
    197 Lawrence T Davis
    Anchorage, AK 99517 $23,176
    198 Kent Farni
    , AK 99709 $23,088
    199 Two Rivers Resource Trust
    , AK 99639 $22,512
    200 Donald K Hewlett
    , AK 99633 $21,838
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    how about the farmers put up 50%, and the state 50% but we get to double the size of the herd without any future complaints about farm damage. Since the farms will be all fenced in it is a win win. and now we have 200-400 permits per year, which means twice as much money coming into delta from the hunts.
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    Yup, and some of the people at the top of the list are making the biggest deal about this. Wolves in a sheep costume for sure.

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    Fact of the matter is.. Don and Lenny need a clear and collective voice to give the committee.. one that will be heard in the legislator and the BOG. shoot them guys a note and let your displeasure be heard.
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    You all better say your prayers and hope like heck that potatoe seed deal falls apart that is a potential 200 million dollars a year market to Taiwan and china... Those bison don't stand a chance in hell especially when the state see $$$$ signs hmmmm $100,000 in bison hunts or qtr billion in potatoe seed sales... You all would benefit to read about this potatoe seeds market. Alaska is one of few places they can buy these seed that is disease free. So if these farmers can get these bison wiped off the map. They can ask the state for that land that was set aside for the bison in the 80's so they can plant more the potatoe seed. Call me crazy the writing is on the wall.
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    You all better say your prayers and hope like heck that potatoe seed deal falls apart that is a potential 200 million dollars a year market to Taiwan and china... Those bison don't stand a chance in hell especially when the state see $$$$ signs hmmmm $100,000 in bison hunts or qtr billion in potatoe seed sales...
    The Mat Valley recently experienced a huge economic bust, due to Potato Blight. Those spuds are very suseptable to blight. Local gardeners can spread the Blight. from unknowingly using last years eyes.
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    There's more to this than just a fence the farmers see $$$ signs. They see the potential market... I think the state needs to tell them stick it fence your land and be happy. But like I said earlier they want more land and they see all that prime land that was set aside for the bison and they see money in those fields.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akres View Post
    The Mat Valley recently experienced a huge economic bust, due to Potato Blight. Those spuds are very suseptable to blight. Local gardeners can spread the Blight. from unknowingly using last years eyes.
    well BR was correct the one farmer wishing for the spud market... is looking to ship seed taters to Korea.. not fred meyer, safeway or farmers market...
    "If you are on a continuous search to be offended, you will always find what you are looking for; even when it isn't there."

    meet on face book here

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