Ok here is the question I am debating. I shoot a 22-250 pushing Speer 52 grain hp's Shot lots of yotes with it and little to no exit holes. A 223 shooting 60 gr v max. I have yet to take a predator with it. I do not want to damage the pelts on anything I take. I know for dogs either setup is good. I have only shot a few fox when I was younger and it was with a 22lr or my 22 mag. For those of you who have used the v max are they to much for taking of preditor? Will a fox or lynx pelt be overly hurt with the 22-250? How many of you have used the 17hmr? I don't have one but they look fun for smaller stuff. Just not sure it would be enough to quickly take harvest larger predators. Feel free to chime in on what bullet load / caliber you use and if you have had good success with not damaging he pelt tomuch.