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    Thumbs up Clear water CUA prop for inspection...

    Vince Holton, thank you for submitting your proposal to the Alaska Board of Game:

    Type of Regulation: Hunting,Subsistence,Resident,Nonresident
    GMU: 13
    Regulation Book Page Number:

    What is the problem you would like the Board to address?
    Modify the Clear water Control use area for Established business on private property adjoining the Denali highway.
    5 AAC 92.540. Controlled use areas


    In the following areas, access for hunting is controlled as specified:

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    (C) the Clearwater Creek Controlled Use Area:
    (i) the area consists of that portion of Unit 13(B) north of the Denali Highway, west of and including the MacLaren River drainage, east of and including the eastern bank drainages of the Middle Fork of the Susitna River downstream from and including the Susitna Glacier, and the eastern bank drainages of the Susitna River downstream from its confluence with the Middle Fork;
    (ii) the area is closed to the use of any motorized vehicle for hunting, including the transportation of hunters, their hunting gear, or parts of game, except for brown/grizzly bears, wolves, and small game from March 15 through June 30; however, this provision does not prohibit motorized access, or transportation of game, on the Denali Highway;
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    Issue;

    the Alpine creek lodge located at mile post 68 of the Denali highway ( US SURVEY NO. 5278 ALASKA; Located on the north side of the highway at it's intersection with Alpine Creek and Designation of U.S. location monument no. 5. Geographic location of corner # 1 Latitude 63.02'33.5" north Longitude-147.14.45) consisting of 7.70 acres. Is a Lodge off business serving Denali highway travelers and Alaska Hunters and trappers. Is located with in the Clear water control use area.
    Access to the Alpine Creek Lodge is via the Denali Highway, that travel is unrestricted for the transportation of hunters and equipment.
    the Alpine Creek lodge was purchased by the current owners in June 2008 and established as a business, with in the Mat su borough. on a yearly average the Alpine Creek lodge provides boarding to 250 hunters per year between the months of April-September and also provides lodging, to Recreational visitors including: Animal viewers, Snowmobilers, Skiers, small game hunters and trappers in the winter months.
    the FALL September Hunting season averages approximately 175 hunters of the 250 yearly average.
    Alpine Creek Lodge is the currently ONLY place of business with in the clear water Controlled use area. There is No on highway parking for hunters vehicles or equipment.
    The average Hunter Stay at Alpine Creek Lodge is 3-5 days during the hunting season.
    Hunters MAY be in Violation of the Control use area by transporting personnel goods, Equipment and Meals onto the Alpine Creek Lodge Property while staying at the Lodge and Hunting the North side of the Denali Highway with-in the Clear Water Controlled use area.

    What will happen if this problem is not solved?
    Inadvertent Violations of Control use area Access may be incurred by Hunters Traveling to and and staying at Alpine creek Lodge.
    Under the currently control use area guidelines. Technically, a hunter staying at the lodge, must unload all equipment from their personal vehicle onto the road side of Denali Highway, park their vehicle at the lodge, carry all equipment to the lodge, and reverse the process before beginning the next days hunting. it could also be argued that any equipment transported by the lodge would be off limits to the use of any person visiting for the purpose of hunting activities.
    Residents and visitors of the lodge would be in violation of the control use area, if an otherwise legal animal was harvested with in the property lines of Alpine Creek Lodge. unless all equipment was packed down to the road side, Te proximity of the Lodge to the road may make inadvertent criminals of hunters.

    What solution do you prefer? In other words, if the Board adopted your solution, what would the new regulation say?
    Modify the Clearwater control use area Exceptions to include All drivable surfaces and Lodging facilities of the Alpine Creek lodge.

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    ii) the area is closed to the use of any motorized vehicle for hunting, including the transportation of hunters, their hunting gear, or parts of game, except for brown/grizzly bears, wolves, and small game from March 15 through June 30; however, this provision does not prohibit motorized access, or transportation of game, on the Denali Highway [OR Drivable Surfaces, Lodging facilities and lands of ALPINE CREEK LODGE located at 68 mile of the Denali Highway within the Clearwater CUA]


    Does your proposal address improving the quality of the resource harvested or products produced? If so, how?
    This propsal will not affect any of the resorces with in the unit.

    Who will benefit if your proposal is adopted?
    All hunters Traveling through, visiting, or lodging At Alpine Creek Lodge.


    Who is likely to suffer if your proposal is adopted?
    This prop should not negatively effect any person or group

    List any other solutions you considered and why you rejected them.
    None. a similar Proposal was passed in 2010 region Three, in modification of the Kanuti CUA for private residence access.
    As submitted (PROPOSAL 94 - 5 AAC 92.540 (8)(B). Controlled use areas.
    Modify the boundary of Kanuti
    Controlled Use Area in Unit 24B as follows:
    Move the boundary of the Kanuti Controlled Use Area so that it includes Fish Creek Lake as the)...

    The land owners and visitors of the Alpine Creek Lodge are in similar circumstance and would like to avoid any future potential infractions. This Proposal is submitted ON BEHALF and with permission of Alpine Creek Lodge, and Owners Claude and Jennifer Bondy Alpine Creek Lodge Po Box 121 Cantwell Alaska 99729

    Log Number: EG102610108
    This Proposal has been received and will be proccessed by the Boards Support Section.
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    Great deal! Thanks Vince! We appreciate your hard work on this!
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    Hey Vince just a thought...there are other private parcels along that stretch (the old Susitna Lodge is inside the CUA), and I'm pretty sure Maclaren is inside the east border of the CW-CUA as well.

    Also, since that area has recently been reconveyed from the BLM to the State there's the potential for future land sales/auctions and more private holdings.

    I totally agree with the notion behind your proposal but I think tweaking it a bit to expand the definition from ACL to "private parcels" is more inclusive.

    and yeah, it would suck to get nailed for unloading your duffle bag at the lodge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik in AK View Post
    Hey Vince just a thought...there are other private parcels along that stretch (the old Susitna Lodge is inside the CUA), and I'm pretty sure Maclaren is inside the east border of the CW-CUA as well.

    Also, since that area has recently been reconveyed from the BLM to the State there's the potential for future land sales/auctions and more private holdings.

    I totally agree with the notion behind your proposal but I think tweaking it a bit to expand the definition from ACL to "private parcels" is more inclusive.

    and yeah, it would suck to get nailed for unloading your duffle bag at the lodge.
    the sue has been closed for 20 some years... and Maclaren is on the south side of the highway... out side the CUA

    yes there is private lands and cabins back there but one has to be careful... on the wording for it. as it could lead to any ATV trail to that cabin as being access into the CUA.. where Alpine creek boarders the highway on the side of a mountain and your really not driving any further then their parking area will allow.
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    You could not get nailed for driving you and your gear to the lodge to stay. The only way this would apply is if you parked at the lodge, and then walked up the Alpine Creek Valley back to Windy Creek or the Upper Clearwater to hunt. You can, however, get around that by driving your gear down to the Denali Highway, unloading your pack and gun, driving back up and parking, then walking down the couple of hundred feet, grabbing your stuff, then walking up the valley. You would not get in trouble for staying at the lodge and ridng your wheeler to hunt the highway or the trails on the South side. As long as your not stopped in the driveway, and if a trooper asks you if your hunting, then you say no, but I will be once I get to the highway.

    It is a good thought about other private property owners that are adjacent to the highway in the CUA. The only property I know that applies to is the Susitna Lodge, besides mine. I do have people that come in on planes and land at that airstrip to come over to my place. (with the landowners permission, of course). That is legal, as the CUA is not a 'No Motorized Area', it's a 'No Motorized Area For Hunting'.
    Makes a big difference.

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