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    Default Oct 8-12 2010 BOG Report #1 - Public Involvement

    Day 1, Oct 8th, 45 minutes into meeting:


    Day 4, Oct 11, afternoon:


    Now, granted, there were more people during the first two days when folks showed up to testify, but generally, BOG meetings don't have the kind of public attendance one would expect.


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    Default Some forum member participation

    Homerdave, giving his personal testimony. Dave also represented the Homer Advisory Committee:


    Forum Member Vince giving his personal testimony:


    I should say, regardless if we agree or disagree on any particular issues, I applaud anyone taking the time to get involved in the process.


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    thanks for the PIC mark... OMG i look like my Dad LOL!!!!!!!
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    Democracy won't work if you don't vote.... that is why we have such a screwed up game managment system in Alaska. The vast majority of "eat what you shoot hunters" won't show up.

    To those that do ... way to go!
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    I have to ask, How much money did they spend on that bunting? lol. ( used to be you could sit down anywhere and talk about things without a whole lot of frills)

    Good job guys, and I can see where you are coming from with the empty chairs.

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    I suppose the 3 people who actually showed through the whole thing and believed in the process got ran down anyhow..hmm.. wonder why that happens? Let me think on that for awhile LOL..
    PERHAPS itís because the BOG doesnít care what you say anyway! Umm.. Like public testimony overrides political motives..Hey, at least it makes us feel like we make a difference.. BAHAHA!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_skipper View Post
    I have to ask, How much money did they spend on that bunting? lol. ( used to be you could sit down anywhere and talk about things without a whole lot of frills)

    Good job guys, and I can see where you are coming from with the empty chairs.

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    wow that is an eye opener. im surprised by the lack of attendance. I think maybe the BOG would listen if the hunters that swarm hatchers, petersville, eureka ect would come to those things. No wonder the bog wont listen. they have the impression that only 10 people think they need to do a better job. One of the best pics on here bushrat. Thanks

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    Default Rockskipper asked about the cost...

    I was told this particular unscheduled meeting cost 40,000 dollars to pull off. Board support is really hurting what with all the out-of-cycle and emergency or unscheduled meetings. ACs are upset too because now Board support, because of budget shortfalls, will only pay for AC reps to attend two meetings per year.

    All this out-of-cycle stuff really has to stop cuz it's killing F&G too in money and time to send regional staff to nearly every meeting because of deferred and out-of-cycle proposals via agenda change requests. Isn't fair to hear out-of-cycle proposals either and not fund the travel for the AC rep for whatever ACs are affected.

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    If you have ever sat thru a BOG meeting when adf&g is testfiying about the swan population on the Alaska pennisula you don't get real excited about sitting thru another. Bio's can clear a room faster than the secret service.
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    what is everyone looking at while vince is speaking. I only see one guy looking like he is paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rimfirematt View Post
    wow that is an eye opener. im surprised by the lack of attendance. I think maybe the BOG would listen if the hunters that swarm hatchers, petersville, eureka ect would come to those things. No wonder the bog wont listen. they have the impression that only 10 people think they need to do a better job. One of the best pics on here bushrat. Thanks
    well those pics really do not do justice to the attendance.. during the public testimony part... most of the Dept staff is off doing other stuff as the board has no need for answers from them... those chairs are all full during presentations of Dept reports and during dliberatioin... the public actually sat behind us..


    as for what they look at? who knows... they have so many pieces of paper and all our proposals in front of them... a pic is a millisec of the 5 minutes we sat there.
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    Rock skip....concerning your post #6....
    Don't get to hung up on something as unimportant as the bunting. When renting the conference room space, it comes with the tables, chairs, curtains, coffee.
    But turning to an important topic.....As for the low attendance/turnout...this was a special purpose meeting attended by the fewest number of people ever, for an Anchorage BOG meeting. A "regular" BOG meeting covering multiple topics is always much better attended by both the "greenies" and the guide-outfitters. As always, "Joe-hunter" is always under-represented.
    ...with, or without bunting...
    The coffee is always quite good. While AKRES said the cookies were acceptable, I never saw them, and I like cookies.

    My complements to bushrat, homerdave, vince, riptide and the other forum members who took the time to participate and express their diverse views.

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    I was being a little sarcastic ATA, lol. However I was suprised at the figure that Mark threw out there.

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    if that meeting costs $40,000 then I need to drink more of that coffee and find those hidden cookies, while we all admire the bunting

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    Re the costs, they put the hotel/conference room thing out to bid. Not sure how much that is, but it includes rooms for all staff, board members, AC members if they want to stay there the set amount of time allowed. Then the travel costs for support staff, BOG members, AC members. Stipends for food etc.

    Adds up fast I'm sure. And this is Anchorage, imagine what the Region V meetings in Nome or Kotz run!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushrat View Post
    [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Re the costs, it includes rooms for all staff, board members, AC members if they want to stay there the set amount of time allowed. Then the travel costs for support staff, BOG members, AC members. Stipends for food etc.
    Yup,
    And then....guys and gals continue to wonder why the "average hunter" is so unduly represented. The deck is stacked before the game table is laid out and the players show up.
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    Mark if you can explain this to us in a little more detail, do each one of these meetings cost us this much and if so, where does this money come from? I'm confussed.

    Where does the special meeting funds come from?

    I'm all for the talks to get Ideas out there, but that kinda money sounds like a political platform, and it looked like it.

    What happened to the round table?

    Just asking, you start letting this happen and who knows where this will go.

    E.S.

    ( This people is not a election and should not be treated as such, this is your money at work, and you have the power to do with it as you will, these people do not have the right to sleep in the Cap.Cook on your dime.)

    ( I'll bet 2 to one that the speakers did'nt get a room for saying there piece)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_skipper View Post

    these people do not have the right to sleep in the Cap.Cook on your dime.)

    ( I'll bet 2 to one that the speakers did'nt get a room for saying there piece)
    Wrong you are there E.S.

    Some did....some didn't. Some even got cookies for not sayin' nothing.
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    I am heading to the meeting here in SE although I have a full boat of clients in that week chasing deer. Flying to Ketchikan, hopefully I can testify early to get back to my folks. Looking at instituting a non-res drawing here on POW for bear among other options, most folks agree some changes need to be made and how they make them will speak volumes to who 'owns' the BOG. I have a lot of faith in the Craig F&G and will try to support their recommendations as much as I can. The following is the only reason I am going over taken from the proposals:

    PROPOSAL 37 - 5 AAC 85.015. Hunting seasons and bag limits for black bear. Open a
    nonresident permit hunt for black bear in for Units 1, 2, 3 and 5:
    Implement a drawing permit program for unguided, nonresident black bear hunters in Southeast
    Alaska that will control their harvest level at a conservation based basis. The drawing permit
    program should have the flexibility for the Department of Fish and Game to effectively address
    certain geographical areas of concern as well as numbers of spring or fall hunters. The
    successful drawing permit applicants should be given a good educational brief about defining
    male from female bears in the field and how to reduce wounding loss as well as a better
    definition of the wounding loss law.


    Fair in theory yes I wouldn't be adverse to a draw - FOR EVERYONE that is for ALL non-res not just un-guided. The draw is an idea for conservation purposes but if the guides want to push it they should have to try to get their clients from the draw pool as well. The LOCAL business that cater to hunters in their backyard should be offered the same chance to earn revenue as anyone else.

    Sorry this is a bit out of place but I will be participating for the average joe hunter which is what we get here at CCA, resident and non-resident alike.

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