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    Angry Why can't we as humans leave somethings alone?

    This doesn't look good...

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100920/...odified_salmon


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    I am all for it! The simple fact of the matter is that there are more people in the world every day and the more effective we can be at feeding them the less impact it will have on our environment. If it is safe then it should be approved.

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    So if it doesn't kill us, lets approve it?

    Besides what it does to humans who consume it, what will be the impact of wild salmon when (Not if) they get into the ecosystem?
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    Some things should just be left alone.

    This is clearly one of those things.

    Just say NO!
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    MY GAWD MAN!!!
    What if these monsters escape their pens? If a sea lion or whale rips through their holding pens guess what?There will be highly competitive cloned salmon on steroids roaming the estuaries of SE Alaska and Washington State! What is it w/ the Canadians anyway? They wanna kill Bristol Bay w/ Pebble mine in western Alaska now they wanna infest the gulf of Alaska and Washington? Its time to clip our socialist neighbors wings or we're not gonna have a fish left

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    Quote Originally Posted by fullbush View Post
    What is it w/ the Canadians anyway? They wanna kill Bristol Bay w/ Pebble mine in western Alaska now they wanna infest the gulf of Alaska and Washington? Its time to clip our socialist neighbors wings or we're not gonna have a fish left
    It's payback for us catching all their salmon for generations.
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    I long for the days when all they did was blockade our State Ferries with their sweet lookin' Drum Seiners, as they transited Canuck Waters.

    As to these "Franken-Fish", crap like this begets the journey towards a Soylent Green Society.

    Not to mention the aforementioned decimation of Wild Stock.

    Lose/Lose situation.
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    CNN has a poll going "Would you eat genenically engineered salmon?" There wasn't an answer that stated I won't eat any farmed salmon. Althought he company says all the enginered salmon will be sterile, what if they are wrong? What WILL happen when some of these get into the eco system? That big they must eat anything they can find so that also will have an effect. I agree with hippie (did I just say that? ) Its lose/lose.

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    I can't wait for FrankenMoose!
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    Make em sterile and make the fish! Make them in California and sell them to Asia by the millions. ADF&G has been growing sterile fish and dumping them in our lakes for many years with no adverse effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuJon View Post
    ADF&G has been growing sterile fish and dumping them in our lakes for many years with no adverse effects.
    Thats in landlocked systems LuJon... oh and did I mention the species of fish they stock don't originate in the ATLANTIC OCEAN! All the stocks ADF&G uses are from wild indigenous brood stock. Oh and they're not on growth hormones and anti-biotics....wait I forgot one more minor difference-- THEY DON"T RUIN ALASKAS #1 RESOURCE!

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    These fish are not on growth hormones the gene that tells them to stop growing is being manipulated so that they continue growing to larger sizes. We have done essentially the same thing through selective breeding of thousands of other species. This time around they simply took a shortcut and made the changes "manually". Sterile is sterile, there is no breeding so if 1000 fish escaped then 1000 fish would live till they died then they would all be dead, period.

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    Read another article this week which stated that the rearing pens would be located inland, not at the ocean. So? What's the big deal? If they can't escape, let em grow em!!!
    If a dipnetter dips a fish and there is no one around to see/hear it, Did he really dip?

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    My understanding is that the "sterilization process" (whatever that is) is not 100% effective. I can't remember the source of that...but will post if I come across it. If anyone else has insight, please share.

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    The potentially scariest part about this is if AquaBounty is allowed to patent the gene, as Monsanto was with their GE canola seed; if the salmon did prove reproducable and bred with wild stock, every fish that carried the gene would theoretically belong to AquaBounty!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewhop2000 View Post
    If they can't escape, let em grow em!!!
    I swear you must have been severely wronged by someone in the commercial fishing industry in a past life. I'm doing my best to undo whatever it is so you can hopefully see we're not bad people

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdubbin View Post
    The potentially scariest part about this is if AquaBounty is allowed to patent the gene, as Monsanto was with their GE canola seed; if the salmon did prove reproducable and bred with wild stock, every fish that carried the gene would theoretically belong to AquaBounty!
    OMG! You're right cdubbin! AquaBounty will own all the salmon in the gulf! Its like the Pebble Mine folks are gonna claim all the Bristol bay sockeyes belong to them because the mercury content they carry contains the pebble foot print! The conspiracy is starting to take shape

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    It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out. The good news: I was in cosco and they were selling wild alaska coho fillets, and I didn't see any farmed salmon. I was really happy to see that the prices were on par with what middle class could afford to spend.

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