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    Default Goat pic...

    From a closed Area...


    Guesses on Age/sex? I say 3 yo billy.. Emailing to a bio...
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    Good guess, could be four, Billy 100%

    Thats a great one to harvest solo. The weight is manageable. A 5-10yr old Billy is just huge and not feasible for a solo hunter having to travel very far.

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    Wow, he let you get close. Where was this taken?
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    Great pic! That's an amazing critter right there. Nice coat! Definitely and young guy.

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    Billy for sure. 4 yrs
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    Definite 4 year old.

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    Sorry, doing this from my phone...so this goat is in his fifth year?
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    Great photo Patrick.
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    HuntAK Sorry I have to respectfully disagree with you on your first line and your third. I don't see bilateral symmetry for either of those growth rings. His first aprox. 6" of growth is very standard and his second large section also is very standard. It's years after 4 that get really small depending of genetics and feed of course. Thats why I think 3 for sure with a hidden year possible. He just looks younger too.

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    Hey, I've never seen a dead one of these, so I will have to respectfully agree . Care to draw some purdy lines for me?

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    I will agree with Bighorse ... 3 1/2 ... probably ... but could be 2 1/2 with an good growth year.

    Boyd Porter (adf&g bio) in Ketchikan has Mt Goat ageing down very well ...

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    Default my interpretation

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    Billies tend to grow good horn the first year and second year for that matter. Exceptional specimens continue good horn growth into the third, fourth, and fith year. There could be a small growth ring below that hairline and you just wouldn't know until you got your hands on em really. You have to track those growth rings all the way around the horn just like sheep. Most goats only grow minimal length into the later years. I hope that helps.

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    No that definitely helps. I was kinda spitballin' the whole thing anyways...not too much experience with it. So where the 'kid tips' are (where the horn turns from brownish to more black), is that not considered some sort of aging mark?

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    Nope, you can't use the coloration to distinguish age. It's all about the lines. I've seen a set of billy horn go almost brownish to the tips. You can expect the first section of a goats horns to be rather generous in length just naturally. Look at some kid photos and you notice within the first year and a half they are already sportin' 6" daggars.

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    From the tip of the horn to your first line represents first year growth?

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    Oh and I forgot to add...outstanding pic. It's magazine cover-worthy. (what's your set up BTW? Repost in photog forum maybe?)
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    he let me get pretty close... they know when you can't hunt em I guess... I'd say 10 feet with a bit of a stalk








    thats the kind of animal I am gonna try to take with a bow when I get my knee less hurt
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    Hunt ak, When i took my billy in this year to F & G, they count the first growth 1.5 years, with additional full circumference lines representing a year each after that.
    I am with BH on this one, you really have to get you hands on them to be sure. My billie was hiding a 3.5 year ring behind his glands at the base of the horn. There are alot of false rings in the horns that don't wrap completely.
    For what it's worth, my .02.

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    Thats great info, thanks!

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