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    The early run was lack-luster, the late run is starting the same; I wonder how much of an impact the subsistence fishery there has impacted the run size?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back Country Robb View Post
    The early run was lack-luster, the late run is starting the same; I wonder how much of an impact the subsistence fishery there has impacted the run size?
    No need to panic at this point Robb.
    2010 is right on par with 2006,2007 and 2008 at this point.
    If the #'s don't start picking up next week then it will be behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRIFTER_016 View Post
    No need to panic at this point Robb.
    2010 is right on par with 2006,2007 and 2008 at this point.
    If the #'s don't start picking up next week then it will be behind.
    Can we panic now that we are 50 percent; through the run and its over 60 percent below average return? I find it hardly coincidental that the program started at the same time that this year's return for both runs is well below average.
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    Do you have any numbers as to how many fish that fishery harvests? In a fishery with thousands of fishermen on a busy weekend day, I have assumed that this limited fishery wouldn't make much of a dent. Perhaps I'm wrong? Hopefully those numbers are available somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian M View Post
    Do you have any numbers as to how many fish that fishery harvests? In a fishery with thousands of fishermen on a busy weekend day, I have assumed that this limited fishery wouldn't make much of a dent. Perhaps I'm wrong? Hopefully those numbers are available somewhere.
    There are reported harvest numbers. Contact Doug Palmer from the USFWS in Soldotna. I don't have them in front of me, but in the past few years, I believe they range from 800-3,000 fish in both the dipnet and rod and reel subsistence fisheries annually. Not much of an impact on escapement IMO.

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    The other thing with this late run is that 5 years ago we had that bizzare burst in August that came up the Kenai and they EO'd double limits and reopened a dipnetting weekend if I remember correctly. I wonder if there's going to be another whacko burst of fish? Puzzling why there is such a lack this year.
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    Everything is late this year.

    There were folks calling to shut down the first run fishery, then 4k came through in the next few days. The fish will hopefully show up.
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    From what I have observed, both the Subsistence and Personal Use Fisheries have had a substantial impact in the escapement. That said, I would like to see the Subsistence Fishery ELIMINATED and the Personal Use Fishery Expanded but altered entirely. The Personal Use Fishery should be conducted at multiple locations, ALL BEING TERMINAL LOCATIONS at the mouths of each tributary, after it has been determined that tributary has met it's minimum escapement goals. Indiscriminate taking of fish, whether it be from set nets, drift nets or dip nets at the ports of entry is absolutely insane.
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    not looking so great this year the cum. escapement curve is below every year in the past 6

    time to close the FF only area to harvest, I think only then will the feds dare to close "subsistence"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ak_powder_monkey View Post
    not looking so great this year the cum. escapement curve is below every year in the past 6

    time to close the FF only area to harvest, I think only then will the feds dare to close "subsistence"
    Actually you have to go all the way back to 1977 to find a worse year.

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    maybe that means the bows will be a little more active this fall!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenaibow fan View Post
    maybe that means the bows will be a little more active this fall!
    Definitely; with less eggs and flesh in the water they will be HUNGRY.

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    Or they'll follow the food....

    ...Down to the lake...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaHippie View Post
    Or they'll follow the food....

    ...Down to the lake...
    Even better; less people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaHippie View Post
    Or they'll follow the food....

    ...Down to the lake...
    Just like they did in 2008.
    Shouldn't be an issue with 880K and counting in the Kenai though. :fingers crossed:
    Should end up with a run of about 1,000,000 this year which is better than 2007,2008 and 2009.

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    I think a few facts would help enlighten this discussion. Here are the harvest numbers from this fishery since it was established in 2007.


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    Sorry hit the wrong button or something.

    Again...
    I think a few facts would help enlighten this discussion. Here are the harvest numbers from this fishery since it was established in 2007.

    Number of sockeye harvested in the Federal subsistence fishery on the Kenai.
    Year 2007 2008 2009 2010
    Russian River Falls (Dip net) 527 1281 809
    Moose Range Meadows (Dip Net) 12 0 0

    Upper Kenai/Russian River (Rod and reel) 169 125 165
    Moose Range Meadows (Rod and reel) 4 202 93

    Total 712 1608 1067

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    Not sure why I keep getting kicked out while writing the message.

    One more try to get all the numbers entered.

    Number of sockeye harvested in the Federal subsistence fishery on the Kenai.
    Year 2007 2008 2009 2010 (thru 8/5 but may not include all harvest for 2010)
    Russian River Falls (Dip net) 527 1281 809 593
    Moose Range Meadows (Dip Net) 12 0 0 0

    Upper Kenai/Russian River (Rod and reel) 169 125 165 na
    Moose Range Meadows (Rod and reel) 4 202 93 na

    Total 712 1608 1067 616


    I really don't see how this level of harvest has had much impact on escapement, especially given the commercial, PU, and sport harvest figures.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Luv2fish View Post
    Not sure why I keep getting kicked out while writing the message.

    One more try to get all the numbers entered.

    Number of sockeye harvested in the Federal subsistence fishery on the Kenai.
    Year 2007 2008 2009 2010 (thru 8/5 but may not include all harvest for 2010)
    Russian River Falls (Dip net) 527 1281 809 593
    Moose Range Meadows (Dip Net) 12 0 0 0

    Upper Kenai/Russian River (Rod and reel) 169 125 165 na
    Moose Range Meadows (Rod and reel) 4 202 93 na

    Total 712 1608 1067 616


    I really don't see how this level of harvest has had much impact on escapement, especially given the commercial, PU, and sport harvest figures.


    Yep, I don't see anything there either.
    The heaviest haul was just over 1,400 fish in '08.
    That's less than one group of German tourists factory processes in a week!!!

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