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    Anyone know of a make or brand of traditional bow that is drilled and tapped for sights? I'd like to get into traditional archery, but cant seem to swallow the "instinctive" shooting. I figure a traditional set up w/ sights and a good anchor point would be the ticket for me.

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    alot of them do my black widow is drilled and tapped for sites, but before you do i suggest watching masters of the barebow pt 1, 2, 3, it really helped me pick up a aiming/ref instinctive style.

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    Anyone know of a make or brand of traditional bow that is drilled and tapped for sights? I'd like to get into traditional archery, but cant seem to swallow the "instinctive" shooting. I figure a traditional set up w/ sights and a good anchor point would be the ticket for me.
    No offense, but what is the point? Shooting a traditional bow with sights is like trying to go flyfishing with a bobber and worms. Just try shooting instinctively. It is not as hard as you think. It just takes practice, practice, and more practice. As long as you keep your shots within 25 yds, you shouldn't have to adjust you point of aim anyhow. Just pick a spot and trust you instincts. It is a lot like wingshooting a shotgun, just point and aim. Some guys compare it to throwing a baseball, I would say its more playing pool, where you line your eye down the arrow rather than a pool stick. Good luck

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    I guess the point is having a reference in aiming w/o all the crap that adourns my compound. Most folks who start shooting a shotgun, use the bead. Once they gain proficiency and comfort, they point and aim. If I get to that point with a traditional bow, I simply take the sight away and shoot instinctively. Allot of folks never reach that point, and give up.

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    Tons of bows drilled for sights out there, yours is a comon route to traditional archery. One of my favorite Bear bows the 1967 polar came with a adjustable sight installed. It is virtually impossible to find one with the sight intact. Sights limit the capability of a traditional bow and are less effective than instinctive shooting in all most all cases short of olympic class shooters. IE if you don't have perfect form the sights will do the opposet of what you expect. Your welcome to try one of my bows sometime............none have sights.
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    I didn't write bear twice. Checked twice to be sure and why the heck did my spell checker get blocked!
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    When I started out with my recurve I was the same way.. I thought about putting a sight on it and all this crap. I could'nt bring myself to do it though and am glad I didnt. It does take a lot of practice and then a little more on top of that. You have to spend more time tuning arrows and such but to me it is more rewarding. Pick up a book by Fred Asbell on instinctive shooting and then go to the range, I would suggest by yourself so you don't have to listen to the ridicule of others while your learning, you will be amazed once it starts coming together for you. This is just my .02, to each there own I suppose. Good luck on whatever you decide to do.

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    Thanks for the help fellas. Ive read Sam Fadala's book, maybe I need to re-read. If I come across a cheap set-up, I'll give the instictive biz a shot.

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    That kinda bugs me. I have never seen a trad guy ridicule anyone on a range. Blame the weather, a bad arrow shaft, mystical orbs of inpeniterability or bad mojo but ridicule another shooter? Come to think of it I haven't seen a compound guy do it either, you been shooting with the wrong crowd. That kind of behaivor would get you escorted off my range at the house quickly!
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    you're right Rick, I dont think you'll find most trad guys giving anyone a hard time other then maybe some playful ribbing.

    I have no problem with a sight however holding long enough with a hunting weight bow (not target weight) might make a sight pin as a reference difficult.

    Why not try gap shooting, point of aim, split vision. They all use the arrow and or the bow for some reference point. There is a good book by Dave Miller who was taught by John Schulz on the subject of split vision stuff, though I'm sure you can figure the concept out yourself. An even better book/video to get would be Byron Fergusons become the arrow. (highly recommended if nothing more then for the tuning information). Or find anything Howard Hill or John Schulz

    You're right stickbows are a little more labor intenstive to tune. There is nothing you can adjust but spine untill you start getting into the fine tuning stages. Really it's simple, and the reason I have a zillion shafts in my house aging nicely LOL.

    I started shooting instinctive....if I had to start over again I would highly recommend learning one of the refernce methods. You'll progress faster and after very short order learn to rely less on the aiming method you've used to start off with and roll right over into a 'instinctive' style of shooting. Faster, better, and more accurate....what more could you ask for!

    Dunno where you're located, I have tons of books mags and other stuff you could read if you live close by.

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    Rick and Tradbow, thanks for the offers. Fellas like you keep this forum going.

    I am thinking this will be a winter affair for me, as we are expecting twins in a couple weeks, and time will be a luxury Im sure. Maybe by mid-winter I'll be able to do some shooting. You guys have me about sold on the instinctive aspect, but still wouldnt mind a sight as a fall back crutch. Great advice though here, still chewing on it all....

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    That kinda bugs me. I have never seen a trad guy ridicule anyone on a range. Blame the weather, a bad arrow shaft, mystical orbs of inpeniterability or bad mojo but ridicule another shooter? Come to think of it I haven't seen a compound guy do it either, you been shooting with the wrong crowd. That kind of behaivor would get you escorted off my range at the house quickly!
    I dont condone that behavior at all. I encountered it when I started shooting for the first time. I was the only trad guy out there and there was a group of compound shooters that were giving me a hard time. I offered if they would like to try some "real" archery and they declined the offer. It made me very cautious of who I shot with and where.

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    I dont condone that behavior at all. I encountered it when I started shooting for the first time. I was the only trad guy out there and there was a group of compound shooters that were giving me a hard time. I offered if they would like to try some "real" archery and they declined the offer. It made me very cautious of who I shot with and where.
    You should have said "sorry, I just took off my training wheels, when you guys are ready you should try it too".

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    Not sure about the ranges up your way and I can understand your reaction but that is definately not the norm. Perhapse Tradbow can give you some guidance on a good range. Other archers are half the fun of the sport! So is giving the compound guys some well meaning guff, they are just way too serious!
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    I've shot all over the country and can count on one hand the super serious butt hole compound archers I have shot with. Unfortunately two of them were in Alaska I've shot in groups of Pros and groups of Joes. Even the vast majority of the pro shooters I have met have been a joy to be around. Last year in Redding, CA I shot with an even rarer bird..and olympic style archer shooting a 3D shoot. He was a hoot and the 20 folks in our group didn't have a negative thing to say. I once shot in a group at a field shoot that included David Hughes. He is a legondary barebow compound shooter (no sights, fingers release) that regularly shoots scores that rival those of pretty good freestyle (sights, releases, stabilizers etc.) field shooters. He is a throat cancer survivor and he won an outdoor national championship the same year he had surgery and fight with the cancer. His fine attitude, and that of the other old dudes in his group (I was the youngest by 30 years) left a lasting impression on me. These guys had come all the way up from long bows and recurves, to the same bows with sights, through the early compound years, all the way to modern compound bows. The five guys I shot with had an average of over 50 years shooting arrows. These guys could shoot anything. They'd paid their dues and not once did you hear them talk about "training wheels" or "freakcurvers" ..they just loved to talk about archery...regardless of what you shot.

    I find all weapons that cast a projectile to be interesting. I happen to get my greatest joy shooting a compound bow with sights. I can shoot anything well enough to hunt, but I just simply don't enjoy shooting a traditional bow as much as I do my high tech wheelie bow. Just as I don't enjoy the slow pace of black powder and iron sights vs. a fine scoped bolt gun. These traits don't make me any less of an archer or rifleman, just a different type of marksman.
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    That group was my only run in with idiots at a range and it was on Fort Wainwright. Im a soldier myself, but there are a lot of folks out there that make us look stupid. I have had a lot of fun at a range with both traditional and compound shooters. To me, as AKDOUG pointed out, to each their own. I own a compound as well and shoot and hunt with it. I know my limitations on my recurve(which right now are many). I have run into a trad guy who thought b/c he didnt need the luxuries of a compound he was God's gift to the world and looked down upon everyone else, and then there was that guy who works at a certain sports store who saw no point at all in shooting traditional and considered it the "dark side"(who now, last I talked to him shoots a recurve now) All in all, I say shoot whatever makes you comfortable and if you see a guy at the range who is struggling, offer some friendly advice if you have any.

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    fairbanks trad guy holier then thou? Man I'd like to know who that is.....cuz I bet I know him lol.

    Forest is shooting a recurve now, he's trying out the dark side . I just built him a couple strings for it.

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