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    'Aggressive' deer sparks first Glacier gun incident


    By CHRIS PETERSON / Hungry Horse News

    Published: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:26 AM PDT


    Glacier National Park has had its first incident of a gun being fired inside the Park boundaries since carrying them was legalized.

    On June 12, a woman was hiking on the Going-to-the-Sun Road near Logan Creek when she encountered what she claimed was an aggressive whitetail deer, said Park spokeswoman Amy Vanderbilt.

    The deer continued to her approach her and initially she discharged pepper spray toward the animal but was apparently too far away.


    Then she pulled out a .357 magnum handgun and fired it into the ground away from the animal to scare it away. The deer hopped into the bushes, but still stayed fairly close.

    Deer in Glacier are attracted to salt, including sweat from humans that gets on clothing and packs.

    The woman later reported the incident to a ranger. She was not cited, but was given a written warning. Discharging a firearm in the Park is illegal unless a person could expect "imminent" danger.

    Firearms were allowed in National Parks beginning this year by Congress. Though controversial, it had the full support of Montana's congressional delegation.

    Since the law was passed, a grizzly bear has been shot and killed in Denali National Park after a hiker had a run-in with the bruin. That case is under investigation.

    In Glacier, it is not uncommon to run into armed hikers, most of whom are carrying pistols on their hips.

    Glacier officials still remind hikers and visitors that bear pepper spray is the most effective and safe deterrent to a bear attack. In all case studies, the use of bear pepper spray in close encounters with a grizzly or other bears has resulted in both the bear's survival and the person's survival.
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    In all case studies, the use of bear pepper spray in close encounters with a grizzly or other bears has resulted in both the bear's survival and the person's survival.

    Maybe that statement is true and maybe not. What it doesnt tell you is the "condition" some of those survivors were left in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yukon254 View Post
    In all case studies, the use of bear pepper spray in close encounters with a grizzly or other bears has resulted in both the bear's survival and the person's survival.

    Maybe that statement is true and maybe not. What it doesnt tell you is the "condition" some of those survivors were left in.
    Very true. It also does not indicate the number or extent of the case studies. In fact the statement says enough to be persuasive and little else. I'd say the writer may be ready for a life in politics....
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    Notice they didn't talk about the bells?

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    Who cares? Not sure why this even makes the news. Those dumb*****es need to focus more on the shootings at our border!

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    That was a good laugh.

    Jack Hanna just fired off some pepper spray at a bear few days ago.

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    Never mind...this new setup on the site won't let me edit the way i want to

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    I think the point you all are missing is that these deer are becoming more and more agressive towards humans. It is really a serious life safety issue..



    There may come a time when we will need to add them to the predator control program and allow snaring and aerial shooting to control the more aggressive whitetails...

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    So your saying all I need to do to hunt whitetails there is sweat a little???? Ive wasted so much money all these years!!!.... I dont know, Im not sold on the pepper spray thing, maybe the bear will like a little seasoning with his meal. And if that bear is really determined to eat you it needs a 400gr persuasion not to.

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    We used to hike into a wilderness area in Idaho where the dang mt. goats would raid your camp at night. One night we had over a dozen in camp. Blacktail deer in Angeles N.P. in N.W. Washington used to attack us for food as kids. Aggressive critters in N.P. is nothing new.
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    Thank God the retarded lady wasn't injured
    The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.

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    The wife and I were in Glacier on Veteran's Day last November. Went in to the Forest Service store to look at maps, and they grudgingly had the little sign declaring the legality of concealed carry in the Park come spring of this year. The gal behind the counter acted like she had been gut shot when I mentioned to the wife that I'd been doing it all along, and was glad I finally wouldn't get cited for it........
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    The woman later reported the incident to a ranger.
    Why? No harm, no foul. Both deer and woman walked away from the encounter. No need to get the park circus monkeys stirred up over nothing.
    Now what ?

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    Yep. Good point. Like calling the state troopers because you almost had a collision with a moose.
    The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Cor15:19 View Post
    Very true. It also does not indicate the number or extent of the case studies. In fact the statement says enough to be persuasive and little else. I'd say the writer may be ready for a life in politics....
    71 Cases studied by Author Tom Smith and co-authors Stephen Herrero and James Wilder for an article in "The Journal of Wildlife Management" (a peer-reviewed professional journal). "In none of the cases were people seriously injured."

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-bsa032508.php

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    Last edited by Lost Sheep; 08-11-2010 at 18:29. Reason: Add citation and correct the number of cases.

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    Default One case study-over 70 cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Cor15:19 View Post
    Very true. It also does not indicate the number or extent of the case studies. In fact the statement says enough to be persuasive and little else. I'd say the writer may be ready for a life in politics....
    I think he is referring to an article in "The Journal of Wildlife Management", April 2008 (a peer-reviewed professional journal). "In none of the cases were people seriously injured."

    Journal of Wildlife Management

    Volume 72, Issue 3 (April 2008)
    http://www.wildlifejournals.org/perl...2&issue=3&ct=1
    or if the link does not work paste this into your browser
    wildlifejournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-toc&issn=0022-541X&volume=72&issue=3&ct=1

    which will get you to the table of contents. The particular article is entitled:
    Efficacy of Bear Deterrent Spray in Alaska
    and is about 1/3 of the way down the web page (look on the right hand side for page 640)
    Tom S. Smith, Stephen Herrero, Terry D. Debruyn, and James M. Wilder

    The abstract begins: We present a comprehensive look at a sample of bear spray incidents that occurred in Alaska, USA, from 1985 to 2006. We analyzed 83 bear spray incidents involving brown bears (Ursus arctos; 61 cases, 74&#37, black bears (Ursus americanus; 20 cases, 24%), and polar bears (Ursus maritimus; 2 cases, 2%). Of the 72 cases where persons sprayed bears to defend themselves, 50 (69%) involved brown bears, 20 (28%) black bears, and 2 (3%) polar bears....


    or paste this into your browser

    wildlifejournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.2193%2F2006-452

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Sheep View Post
    I think he is referring to an article in "The Journal of Wildlife Management", April 2008 (a peer-reviewed professional journal). "In none of the cases were people seriously injured."

    Journal of Wildlife Management

    Volume 72, Issue 3 (April 2008)
    http://www.wildlifejournals.org/perl...2&issue=3&ct=1
    or if the link does not work paste this into your browser
    wildlifejournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-toc&issn=0022-541X&volume=72&issue=3&ct=1

    which will get you to the table of contents. The particular article is entitled:
    Efficacy of Bear Deterrent Spray in Alaska
    and is about 1/3 of the way down the web page (look on the right hand side for page 640)
    Tom S. Smith, Stephen Herrero, Terry D. Debruyn, and James M. Wilder

    The abstract begins: We present a comprehensive look at a sample of bear spray incidents that occurred in Alaska, USA, from 1985 to 2006. We analyzed 83 bear spray incidents involving brown bears (Ursus arctos; 61 cases, 74&#37, black bears (Ursus americanus; 20 cases, 24%), and polar bears (Ursus maritimus; 2 cases, 2%). Of the 72 cases where persons sprayed bears to defend themselves, 50 (69%) involved brown bears, 20 (28%) black bears, and 2 (3%) polar bears....


    or paste this into your browser

    wildlifejournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.2193%2F2006-452

    Lost Sheep
    Thanks for the link. Perhaps he was referencing that study, but the original quote is ambiguous in so much as it simply assumes a set of authoritative studies without acknowledging the source of his information. Thanks again for the link.
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