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    Just wanted to drop everyone a note about towing an oversize load. For those that were coming from Eureka to Anchorage and passed the Bayliner pulled over by the Trooper no I did not get picked out of the group and ticketed for speeding. I got pulled over for an oversize paperwork check.

    Let me start by saying the Trooper(also note this Trooper patrols normally along the Seward Hwy) was very, very nice. It is a little discouraging to hear him say that I am one of the "VERY FEW" that has all the required paperwork for hauling an overwidth load and having it filled out properly. So seeing I was in good graces, I decided to make a few inquires as to see what's common things they stop boats for. They have done their research on the internet of the most common boats here in Alaska and know which ones are close/over the 102" limit. As stated earlier in the year they are cracking down. For those that decide to risk it and roll with nothing, no permit, no signs, no light and you are caught in the double fine zone that will be about a 1700 dollar ticket, on a non holiday weekend. The most common thing right now is for folks to put the light and signs on with no permit thinking they can get away with it. So note they are wise to that fact. The other thing is that this year we, non commerical/recreational users, have not been granted our usual waiver for being able to tow during the holiday weekends. So there is going to be strict enforcement of the holiday restrictions. So make sure you are in place by 12 noon on Friday and do not leave before 00:01 on Tuesday after the upcoming holiday.

    Commerical double trailers moving fish have a waiver granted for holiday weekends. So just because you see them moving does not mean it's ok.

    A note to those with Kingfishers....this Trooper did specifically mention the bow rails and I think he said 10' 2".

    Guys we are good up to 10' 6" without an escort so make sure we have our paperwork correct. If you see or know someone who is pulling down the road that is trying to skirt the law get them to get the required permit and have the proper gear on the vehicle. For those of us that are legal be prepared to be stopped and checked. I had all my paperwork in a plastic bag and ready when he walked up.

    Last I did invite him to become a member here. So ML if you are reading this welcome to the forum and thanks for the info/conversation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dupont Spinner View Post
    The other thing is that this year we, non commerical/recreational users, have not been granted our usual waiver for being able to tow during the holiday weekends. So there is going to be strict enforcement of the holiday restrictions.
    Has there ever been a waiver for non-commercial users? I tried to get a permit to haul mine from Homer to Deep Creek last labor day for a boating / fishing get together with friends and was told "no can do". The permit gal said there was no such thing (as a waiver). I asked her about the charter guys traveling from their locations to the tractor launch and back. She as much as said that was overlooked. I hauled mine up there anyway. (I'm not recommending anyone do it, however.) I completely understand the need for oversize permits in the commercial sector, but the whole permit requirement for non-commercial / recreational users is BS.

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    Thank you dupont for the very informative heads up! Those of you thinking you can travel to whittier w/ your flashing light and oversize signs w/o a permit, think again! The illustrious tunnel personnel have self declared themselves DOT agents and they love to examine your permit. One of them, (reminds me the SS commander Joseph Goebbels) demands to see your appropriate paperwork then measures your load w/ a tape measure. Once I didn't even have a trailer or anything in the back of my f-350 and he wanted to look at the sticker inside my door to make sure I wasn't over the axel weight limit for lane 1 lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homertime View Post
    Has there ever been a waiver for non-commercial users? I tried to get a permit to haul mine from Homer to Deep Creek last labor day for a boating / fishing get together with friends and was told "no can do". The permit gal said there was no such thing (as a waiver). I asked her about the charter guys traveling from their locations to the tractor launch and back. She as much as said that was overlooked. I hauled mine up there anyway. (I'm not recommending anyone do it, however.) I completely understand the need for oversize permits in the commercial sector, but the whole permit requirement for non-commercial / recreational users is BS.
    Actually the waiver should be for commercial users. Just like farmers are exempt from the normal traffic laws when moving their farm equip (tractors etc)
    Representative Bill Thomas of Haines is working on legislation for a DOT waiver for commercial fisherman and charter guys in the coastal communities that need to pull their boats for maintenance. Right now permits are overlooked in Whittier and Cordova, but occasionally you'll get a rambunctious trooper that wants the letter of the law followed and issues a flurry of tickets that get dismissed by the magistrate

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    Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating the charter guys be banned from the roadway on a holiday weekend (maybe they have waivers anyway). I just think the rules could be relaxed a bit so a person hauling a recreational boat could do so. I am advocating a "no fee" permit for up to 10.5 feet wide if you are non-commercial / recreational. I don't think the fees generated from these permits amount to much. I could be wrong, but I believe when the fee schedule was put in place, it was uncommon to haul boats that large, recreationally.

    That tunnel thing is crazy, and the fee schedule is insane, in my opinion, considering they only allow for one way traffic anyway.

    OK, I'll "stand down" from a little Monday morning ranting. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fullbush View Post
    Thank you dupont for the very informative heads up! Those of you thinking you can travel to whittier w/ your flashing light and oversize signs w/o a permit, think again! The illustrious tunnel personnel have self declared themselves DOT agents and they love to examine your permit. One of them, (reminds me the SS commander Joseph Goebbels) demands to see your appropriate paperwork then measures your load w/ a tape measure. Once I didn't even have a trailer or anything in the back of my f-350 and he wanted to look at the sticker inside my door to make sure I wasn't over the axel weight limit for lane 1 lol!
    You shoulda let him look at the sticker and a unforunate gust of wind smashed his head in the door

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homertime View Post
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating the charter guys be banned from the roadway on a holiday weekend (maybe they have waivers anyway). I just think the rules could be relaxed a bit so a person hauling a recreational boat could do so. I am advocating a "no fee" permit for up to 10.5 feet wide if you are non-commercial / recreational. I don't think the fees generated from these permits amount to much. I could be wrong, but I believe when the fee schedule was put in place, it was uncommon to haul boats that large, recreationally.

    That tunnel thing is crazy, and the fee schedule is insane, in my opinion, considering they only allow for one way traffic anyway.

    OK, I'll "stand down" from a little Monday morning ranting. Sorry.
    I agree Homertime they like to impose a recreation tax on hardworking people when we need to unwind w/ the family. The taxation would be a little more tolerable if the same bureaucrats didn't advocate free cell phones to the meth addicts....

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    Quote Originally Posted by potbuilder View Post
    You shoulda let him look at the sticker and a unforunate gust of wind smashed his head in the door
    LM*O!!!!! hilarious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homertime View Post
    Has there ever been a waiver for non-commercial users? I tried to get a permit to haul mine from Homer to Deep Creek last labor day for a boating / fishing get together with friends and was told "no can do". The permit gal said there was no such thing (as a waiver). I asked her about the charter guys traveling from their locations to the tractor launch and back. She as much as said that was overlooked. I hauled mine up there anyway. (I'm not recommending anyone do it, however.) I completely understand the need for oversize permits in the commercial sector, but the whole permit requirement for non-commercial / recreational users is BS.
    Well according to the trooper that I spoke with there has been, in the past, a waiver was granted to recreational users to be able to tow on holiday weekends. Last summer and this one the waiver was NOT granted by the commisioner. This may have been done to help curb Seward highway conflicts.

    The whole tractor launch deal is ignored. If someone ever raised a stink it would come to a hault and they would somehow build some private road to get by or around. How many of those guys even put on signs, have working lights or brakes?

    The trooper and I had a good laugh about the tunnel deal. I am guessing he is one of them that has to respond to the calls but he is in agreement about the tunnel thing being real screwy. The Tunnel Rats, my name for those that give us headaches, work for DOT but when you talk to anyone in DOT about an issue they just keep pointing fingers to someone else. Somebody needs to wrangle that company as I believe many are being treated unfairly because of a lack of knowledge. Next time I go down there and the guy pulls out the plastic pipe to measure my boat, I am going to ask him if it has been cetified by Ak weights and measures, because he always tells me I am over 10' wide, but at the DOT station I am measured at 9'9" as my permit says. At that point I usually leave as I know I am not getting anywhere without having to pay the big bill to go thru. I now have the info I need to prove them wrong. Funny thing it just all depends who you get at the window. I also approached DOT about allowing the oversize boats thru the last returning tunnel on a holiday weekend and then park in the lot till after midnite and I was told they had no control over that(finger pointing). Even tried for one midnight tunnel just for us and that was a haha no.

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    Why not the need for permits for recreational users? I have to jump through hoops to make sure my commercial load is safe and secure. It is rather annoying to see some of the loads recreational users haul down the road all the while wondering if ignorance is really bliss.

    Maybe do away with the hours of darkness and urban areas bs on a recreational permit, but by all means, I think we need a permit for recreational users. If nothing else but to reign in the few idiots that are going to ruin it for all of us anyway....

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    Quote Originally Posted by easthillsfbx View Post
    Why not the need for permits for recreational users? I have to jump through hoops to make sure my commercial load is safe and secure. It is rather annoying to see some of the loads recreational users haul down the road all the while wondering if ignorance is really bliss.

    Maybe do away with the hours of darkness and urban areas bs on a recreational permit, but by all means, I think we need a permit for recreational users. If nothing else but to reign in the few idiots that are going to ruin it for all of us anyway....
    I agree with you. I wish there was actually more enforcement of the laws that are in place.

    I will use this example that I seen recently. A triple axle boat trailer with what I believe was a 26 foot Kingfisher being towed by a half ton pickup with no brakes on the trailer. When I looked you could see that the brakes were removed and just had hubs installed. Had the surge system removed and a standard coupler installed. I should have looked closer it was most likely under rated also.

    One more. Seen someone when I was in Valdez pulling about a 26 or 28 foot travel trailer where they were using a spliced in flat four (SUV side) to a seven round plug. Held in place with some eletrical tape. The SUV was a 4 door small. It had come down from the FBXs area guessing by the plate on the trailer.

    Brakes and lights are the 2 things that are the highest things I see as not working properly if at all. The requirement for trailer brakes is 5000 pounds and over and required to have a break away device.

    Before you ask, yes I do tour the parking lot of the harbor looking at designs and for ideas. Sometimes I walk away in disbelief of what is actually on the road. I am very thankful that most everyone cares enough to have it right but it's the ones that do not that will scare the bejeezes out of you. Take a look for yourself sometime.

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    One problem that remains is that while the State now allows up to 10'6" on the highway without a pilot car, the tunnel is stuck at 10' for their width and fee change. Someone need to lobby the tunnel authorities to align their fees with the DOT rules for Alaska.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easthillsfbx View Post
    Why not the need for permits for recreational users?
    If you read my post carefully you will see I advocated a "no fee" permit and a relaxation of the time of travel rules to include holiday weekends. I do not advocate a no permit required for recreational users.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dupont Spinner View Post
    A triple axle boat trailer with what I believe was a 26 foot Kingfisher being towed by a half ton pickup with no brakes on the trailer. you could see that the brakes were removed and just had hubs installed. Seen someone when I was in Valdez pulling about a 26 or 28 foot travel trailer where they were using a spliced in flat four (SUV side) to a seven round plug.
    I don't have any problem with enforcement. The examples you have given don't have anything to do with oversize permits. They are equipment violations, and are most commonly found on rigs requiring no permits. A guy pulling a $100-$200k+ boat isn't the problem. It's the guy pulling the 2 place snowmachine trailer with a cord of wood and two 4 wheelers, etc. that you have to watch for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homertime View Post
    I completely understand the need for oversize permits in the commercial sector, but the whole permit requirement for non-commercial / recreational users is BS.
    I was just replying to that.

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    That was stated in the context of "holiday travel time not being allowed is BS" (post #2). My post #5 was pretty clear.

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    I wholeheartedly agree that the holiday time restrictions being absolute BS for oversize boats up to the 10.5' limit. I had to stage my boat in Whittier in their cruddy parking lot for the 4th of July weekend, brought it down @ 11am friday and brought it back tuesday.

    It was a huge PITA and I had to take 4 hours of vacation time that I can't really afford (saving it for upcoming medical stuff) to go down and grab it tuesday. I couldnt do it tues evening because I had other work-related commitments I had to meet.

    I can't think of a single reason there needs to be a restriction like that, we're not slowing down or blocking traffic, we fit inside the lanes, we can merge into and out of traffic with no problem. There's no reason at all.

    Its the motorhomes and idiot granny drivers doing 45 mph that are the problem and clogging up the Seward hwy and aggravating drivers enough to take stupid risks trying to pass people.

    I'm okay with having a permit, however the fee schedule is outrageous for recreational users, $300 bucks for 6 months??!! For a trailer thats only going to be on the road a couple of dozen times during that period??!!

    I can understand the commercial guys having a higher fee schedule, they're on the road every day, and cause more wear and tear on the roads. Recreational users are only on the roads at most 1/7th as much.

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    i towed my bayliner 2556 on the 4th with all the signs and permits and passed alot of troopers with never a second look i was going from soldotna to homer i think the no holiday travel is BS also

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmk4x4 View Post
    i towed my bayliner 2556 on the 4th with all the signs and permits and passed alot of troopers with never a second look i was going from soldotna to homer i think the no holiday travel is BS also
    Yea that's the look the other way area>>>>>>never had an issue between Homer and Sterling, but from there to Anchorville is a different story.

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    So, I don't tow mine often (I'm not sure why I'm even interested in this). I do travel between Anchorage and Homer often, however, and have for decades. I can't remember a time when I've seen an oversize recreational rig pulled over. Just out of curiosity, how many of us have been? Anybody? If you have, was it to see your "papers" or an equipment violation.

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    I have been pulled over twice in seven years. I go thru a book of Whittier tickets each year and a few other Seward Homer trips as well. So figure at least a dozen weekends a summer I am on the road with the oversize signs and light. Both times have been around holidays. Both times I was legal and they thought I was not. Both times the trooper was very dissappointed that he pulled me over and could not find anything I was in violation of.

    As an aside, how many actually pull over at the weigh stations each time they go by and they are open? I have seen several people just blow right past an open weight station.

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