Stopping rifles (not just killing) seem to fall into a twilight realm that few seem to venture into, and as such, are very misunderstood. When discussing a 300 mag or a 338, everyone knows all about them and the power have, but mention the bigs boys: the kick butt, stompem into the ground types, and you start losing their attention. I realize that most of us don't need such rifles and as such, have not much interest in them, but that said, I would classify stopping rifles with the 338wm at the bottom of the list. To me, they really start with the larger (40 cal and up at modest speed). I guess the comparison would be similar to a Mack truck hitting a building at 60mph as opposed to Harley hitting it at 100mph. I'm curious to know other's opinions on this. Hi Murphy!