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    Default Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Noooooooooooooooo........

    Not AGAIN!!


    And this fromthe Public Dispatch..
    http://www.dps.state.ak.us/PIO/dispatch/Trooper%20Dispatches%20of%2006-16-2010.20100616.txt


    Location: Dillingham - Game Management Unit 17B
    Case Number: 08-75225
    Type: Guide without Valid Guide License in Possession; Guide or
    Advertise without Guide License in Possession; Outfit or Advertise For
    Big Game Outfitting without License; Tamper with Physical Evidence;
    Possess/Transport Illegally Take Big Game; Take Moose Close
    Season(Overlimit); Unlawful Acts by Guide; Guide without Proper
    Supervision; False Application, Permit, Report Form; Falsifying a
    Sealing Certificate - Bear; Purchase & Sale of Big Game Parts - Brown
    Bear; Unsworn Falsification.
    Text: On 6-11-10, after a lengthy investigation by Alaska Wildlife
    Troopers surrounding an illegally guided big game hunt, several
    defendants were charged with thirty eight Class A Misdemeanor and/or
    Class C Felony fish and game and criminal offenses.**Name removed** , 64 YOA of Dillingham AK, was charged with four counts of
    Tampering with Physical Evidence, one count of Guiding without a Valid
    Registered Big Game Guide/Outfitter License, one count Outfitting
    without a Valid Registered Big Game Guide/Outfitter License, and one
    count of Advertising without a Valid Big Game Guide/Outfitter License,
    and four counts of Possess/Transport Illegally Taken Big Game. **Name Removed**, 47 YOA of Dillingham AK, was charged with three counts of
    Tampering with Physical Evidence, one count of Big Game Guiding without
    a Valid Big Game License, one count of Guiding without a Valid Big Game
    License in Possession; one count of Taking Moose Closed Season
    (Overlimit), and three counts of Possess/Transport Illegally Taken Big
    Game. **Name Removed**, 76 YOA of Ryderwood WA, was charged with two
    counts of Tampering with Physical Evidence, one count of Guide without
    Proper Supervision, one count of Unlawful Acts by Big Game Guide, one
    count of False Application, Permit, Report Form, one count of Falsifying
    a Sealing Certificate (Brown Bear), one count of Purchase & Sale of Big
    Game Parts (Brown Bear), one count of Unsworn Falsification, and two
    counts of Possess/Transport Illegally Taken Game. **Name Removed**, 28 YOA
    of Bemijdja MN, was charged with two counts of Tampering with Physical
    Evidence, one count of Nonresident Hunting without Resident Kin/Guide,
    one count of Taking Brown Bear Closed Season, one count of Big Game
    Guiding without a Valid Big Game License, one count of Big Game Guiding
    without a Valid Big Game Guide License in Possession, and two counts of
    Possess/Transport Illegally Taken Big Game.
    Author: JCR9
    Received Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:16 PM and posted Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:50 PM



    Could they have possibly missed something?
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    How long was that hunt? Trying to figure out how much time would be required to commit that many violations.
    If found guilty will be interesting to see the punishment.
    Thanks for posting-too bad about the circumstances.
    Joe (Ak)

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    Default Boy...

    troopers sure have been busy! That's two major busts in the last couple months.

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    Could they have possibly missed something?[/QUOTE]

    Well, I didn't see confiscation of vehicles?

    Honey, Uh we may have to sell your car to UH pay some fines????
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    Default Nail Em'

    Hang em from the highest tree/sentence that is allowed by law! We all know that it happens to much. Collecting funds to commit a crime is one of the worst. I would like to see more two legged wolves nailed too.
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    Its good that they caught those morons, but I wonder just how many more go on under the radar. It is sickening!
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    Default Overkill

    A little bit of overkill on the violations don't you think. Charge them with the 10 most serious and tell the prosecutor not to agree to dismiss. If they buck up then charge with the other 28. A little more effecient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fish2live View Post
    Charge them with the 10 most serious and tell the prosecutor not to agree to dismiss.
    I go the other way. Charge and convict on every one they can, then make the judge impose the sentences SEQUENTIALLY rather than concurrently. A couple of dozen one-year and $5k convictions add up to how I feel about game thieves.

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    Your link doesn't show anything, what day did the Troopers post this?

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    When I go to the link and scroll down towards the bottom I see the whole write up.

    Troopers submitted it on 6/16/10

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    That's weird because this is what I get at the end and there is no such write up.


    "AK Wildlife Troopers...No news reported.

    AK Bureau of Alcohol & Drug Enforcement...No news reported.

    AK Bureau of Investigation...No news reported.

    Headquarters...No news reported.

    AK Bureau of Highway Patrol...No news reported.

    AK Bureau of Judicial Services...No news reported.


    End of Dispatch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AkHunter45 View Post
    That's weird because this is what I get at the end and there is no such write up.


    "AK Wildlife Troopers...No news reported.

    AK Bureau of Alcohol & Drug Enforcement...No news reported.

    AK Bureau of Investigation...No news reported.

    Headquarters...No news reported.

    AK Bureau of Highway Patrol...No news reported.

    AK Bureau of Judicial Services...No news reported.


    End of Dispatch"
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    Strange, I hit refresh and there it was.

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    Default Guide Reduction.....

    ...and another bandit gets what he deserves.
    We, the Big Game Commercial Services (Guide-Outfitter) industry do not need a DNR Guide Concession Plan designed to thin out the newer and smaller guide-outfitter businesses who are operating honestly and ethically.
    This is what we need!!!!
    We need and want this type of efficient enforcement from our State Troopers.
    Assuming the violations occurred (following an extensive investigation), this is the type of actions I, and all honest, ethical and hard working guide-outfitters loudly applaude.
    Congratulations to our state troopers...
    Congratulations to the resource, our wildlife resources that will not be illegally poached.
    Congratulations to all the honest, fair, and hard working guide-outfitters who follow the rules, laws and policies of the business as well as the ethical concepts of the hunt.
    Note that it is not difficult to be honest and remain within our system of both our guiding and wildlike laws.
    ...and another bandit, a poacher, gets what he/they deserve. Ohhhhhhh... Goooooooood Job Troopers

    Dennis

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    Default I don't get it

    The number and extent of all the charges seem to indicate a large outfitting/guide busness. Then only one felony charge? Just doesn't seem to add up, if it is a under the table deal why not more felony charges? Way too many laws with no teeth in them. ie. one of the listed crimes in the article was a guy guideing fishing and didn't have his lic. on him, not that he didn't have one. My vote is to stop the petty BS , write simple enforciable laws that everybody can understand, and then punish the guilty, hard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrownBear View Post
    I go the other way. Charge and convict on every one they can, then make the judge impose the sentences SEQUENTIALLY rather than concurrently. A couple of dozen one-year and $5k convictions add up to how I feel about game thieves.
    Agreed...did they sit over bait for a brown bear? Did they drop any paper (litter) while they were poaching? Did they jay-walk when they got back to town?
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    Thumbs up another one bites the dust...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaTrueAdventure View Post
    ...and another bandit gets what he deserves.
    We, the Big Game Commercial Services (Guide-Outfitter) industry do not need a DNR Guide Concession Plan designed to thin out the newer and smaller guide-outfitter businesses who are operating honestly and ethically.
    This is what we need!!!!
    We need and want this type of efficient enforcement from our State Troopers.
    Assuming the violations occurred (following an extensive investigation), this is the type of actions I, and all honest, ethical and hard working guide-outfitters loudly applaude.
    Congratulations to our state troopers...
    Congratulations to the resource, our wildlife resources that will not be illegally poached.
    Congratulations to all the honest, fair, and hard working guide-outfitters who follow the rules, laws and policies of the business as well as the ethical concepts of the hunt.
    Note that it is not difficult to be honest and remain within our system of both our guiding and wildlike laws.
    ...and another bandit, a poacher, gets what he/they deserve. Ohhhhhhh... Goooooooood Job Troopers

    Dennis
    awsome! get those ****ers out of the industry. and i agree with dennis 100%...it's alot easier and more lucrative to an outfitter to do things legally and ethically...not to mention the disregard for the resource is akin to a trapper trapping his area out w/out regard for leaving stock for the coming seasons...it's just bad business and pretty ****ing stupid. also would be interested in seeing the punishment...i'm thinking it wont be near what we would wish, which is a shame.

    zack

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaTrueAdventure View Post
    ...and another bandit gets what he deserves.
    We, the Big Game Commercial Services (Guide-Outfitter) industry do not need a DNR Guide Concession Plan designed to thin out the newer and smaller guide-outfitter businesses who are operating honestly and ethically.
    This is what we need!!!!
    We need and want this type of efficient enforcement from our State Troopers.
    Assuming the violations occurred (following an extensive investigation), this is the type of actions I, and all honest, ethical and hard working guide-outfitters loudly applaude.
    Congratulations to our state troopers...
    Congratulations to the resource, our wildlife resources that will not be illegally poached.
    Congratulations to all the honest, fair, and hard working guide-outfitters who follow the rules, laws and policies of the business as well as the ethical concepts of the hunt.
    Note that it is not difficult to be honest and remain within our system of both our guiding and wildlike laws.
    ...and another bandit, a poacher, gets what he/they deserve. Ohhhhhhh... Goooooooood Job Troopers

    Dennis
    Could not agree more with the exception of what seems to be the suggestion that if an operation is "small" it is surely operating "legally".
    Might be "fun" to beat up on larger operations - however - size is by no means indicative of how "legal" an operation may be.
    Certainly a good job on the part of law enforcement and others that may have cooperated with the investigation.
    Joe (Ak)

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    Default the suggestion that if an operation is "small" it is surely operating "legally

    he never said that or meant that, in my understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilbo View Post
    he never said that or meant that, in my understanding.
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    "...designed to thin out the newer and smaller guide-outfitter businesses who are operating honestly and ethically...":

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