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    Alrighty. For all you sheep and goat hunters: The world's lightest, warmest, water resilient sleeping bag!

    Now, keep in mind this is just a slow go idea stage, and not really an option for your average person. Oh yeah, and not mass produced!

    Musk ox quviut!!!! Lighter than down. Better insulating than down. Compresses better than down. Insulation value is not affected by moisture!

    Seeing as how I have a "decent" supply year after year of this product. I'm going to see what I can do to make this happen. Going to make some phone calls to some sleeping bag makers and see what it will take to get this ball rolling in prototype fashion. Figure on the open market it'd be one HECK-UVA an expensive sleeping bag!! However, the world's best mountain bag!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskan22 View Post
    Alrighty. For all you sheep and goat hunters: The world's lightest, warmest, water resilient sleeping bag!

    Now, keep in mind this is just a slow go idea stage, and not really an option for your average person. Oh yeah, and not mass produced!

    Musk ox quviut!!!! Lighter than down. Better insulating than down. Compresses better than down. Insulation value is not affected by moisture!

    Seeing as how I have a "decent" supply year after year of this product. I'm going to see what I can do to make this happen. Going to make some phone calls to some sleeping bag makers and see what it will take to get this ball rolling in prototype fashion. Figure on the open market it'd be one HECK-UVA an expensive sleeping bag!! However, the world's best mountain bag!!!!

    If you need to have someone test the prototype for you in wet, nasty weather, I'm your tester.

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    Considering a small quivet hat here in Anchorage runs you about $250, I imagine that would be about a $5000 sleeping bag. But, I also imagine someone out there would buy one.
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    Yeah, it wouldn't be practical for your average hunter, but this would fall under the "if money were no object" type of scenario. Plus, I have reasonable access to good quantities of quviut, all it will cost me is my time in combing the hides.

    Still yet to make any phone calls, but will need to find a source for the outer materials. I've been advised to just get a "liner" knitted for a bivy, or real light weight cover/bag and go thar route. Still pondering as knitting would cut down on the loft and insulation of "loose" quviut.

    I'm excited to see how this works though.
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    It would definitely clump without something done to keep it spread out. Knitting fabric out of it would be interesting though that would require you sending it off somewhere to be spun. I would call the Palmer musk ox farm and find out who oomingmak uses (the knitting co-op). If you spun it and either knitted it yourself or had it knitted into a fabric you could layer it in a bag liner then sew baffels into it. I would wash the "fabric" a time or ten to get the qiviut to fluff back up.

    In reality just a thick knitted qiviut bag inside of a bivi like the ti-goat would be extremely light and very warm. It would be pretty vulnerable to abrasion though because it is a true extremely thin hair that lacks the kinks of wool so it doesn't hold up in yarn form as well.

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    Holy smokes!

    My wife made me a quiviut knit hat a few years ago and its just ridiculously warm for it's weight.

    I can't imagine a sleeping bag out of it...but I'd sure like to see a picture!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuJon View Post
    It would definitely clump without something done to keep it spread out. Knitting fabric out of it would be interesting though that would require you sending it off somewhere to be spun. I would call the Palmer musk ox farm and find out who oomingmak uses (the knitting co-op). If you spun it and either knitted it yourself or had it knitted into a fabric you could layer it in a bag liner then sew baffels into it. I would wash the "fabric" a time or ten to get the qiviut to fluff back up.

    In reality just a thick knitted qiviut bag inside of a bivi like the ti-goat would be extremely light and very warm. It would be pretty vulnerable to abrasion though because it is a true extremely thin hair that lacks the kinks of wool so it doesn't hold up in yarn form as well.
    Let me start off my saying thanks for all the replies and idea. This will be a project and any input/advice/thoughts to make it better are appreciated.

    Fortunatetly my mother is a maniac on the knitting needles , and therefore has friends who spin quviut, and are willing to do so (of course at a fee). This action is being performed not for the sleeping bag, but to get something made for my wife, to bribe her into letting me hunt more.

    Knitting a layer and sewing will decrease the loft of the quviut. Not a lot, but enough that would require more weight. I think you'd probably tinkle a little to see the propereties of raw quviut after being combed out. I have no fear AT ALL of it clumping. It is so fine, and interwoven so nicely that it almost has its own structural properties due to that. It doesn't really clump up, and I think that if laid out and sewn through in baffels that it would hold up well. Again..."think" being the key word on it.... Now, as you mentioned there is a chance, but i'd say much less than down fill though. However, since this is in the "figuring things out" stage, I plan to take your advice and do some test runs to see what holds up best and where. One of the key things I've noticed is if I thin the raw "fluff" down, then it has the susceptibility to do just like you mentioned. But if left fairly thick and clump it has a real tight "weave" of the fibers.

    If I do however go with a sewn "insulation layer", I'll have the yarn cut with another material. I have lots of options: cashmere, wool, silk, ect... Quviut itself doesn't hold a shape very well when in yarn form, so cutting it with some material that will is pretty much mandatory (the wife's good are getting cashmere added...)

    Keep the ideas coming!!!

    Oh yeah, and to answer the PM: yes, my mom will be getting some nice stuff out of it too. I mean...she put up with my --- for a long time, and still likes me enough to help me out...she definately deserves something NICE!
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    Are there still down sleeping bag kits available ? If so you could replace the down with the quiviut.

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