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Thread: So... .600 Nitro Express or .577 Tyrannosaur?

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    Default So... .600 Nitro Express or .577 Tyrannosaur?

    I'm actually leaning toward the .700H&H myself...but I'm waiting for Weatherby to create the "wildcat" cartridge for it.

    .700 H&H: This is the cartridge for those who think the .600 Nitro Express is kind of...wussy. 1,000-grain bullet at 2,000 fps, 8,900 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. In a 19-pound Holland & Holland double rifle, 109 foot-pounds of recoil.

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    As long as you're dreaming.. Go big!

    Try the 750 NE DR being made in Italy or step back a few years and go for one of the 4 bores. I've shot a 4 bore with a genuine wussy load and it's plenty for me.
    And I'm such a wuss that I can only handle 40-50, 450 NE's from the bench at a sitting.

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    Default Small Thinkers

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    I've shot both the 600 and the 577. It will boil down to the kind of gun you want to use. The 600 is a dandy in doubles, but the 577 is better for bolts.

    Long as you're thinking big, why not go to a 4 bore. The round balls only weigh 1750 grains or 4 ounces, but I'm sure you could find a conical that would top 3500 grains or 8 ounces. Who needs more than one shot? On either end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrownBear View Post
    I've shot both the 600 and the 577. It will boil down to the kind of gun you want to use. The 600 is a dandy in doubles, but the 577 is better for bolts.

    Long as you're thinking big, why not go to a 4 bore. The round balls only weigh 1750 grains or 4 ounces, but I'm sure you could find a conical that would top 3500 grains or 8 ounces. Who needs more than one shot? On either end.
    Back in the days when I was Hunting in Alaska...a VERY respected (and older/wiser) friend of mine told me the 4guage was the ULTIMATE bear defense round...IF you could handle the recoil! I used to have a shell for it in my cartridge collection. Holy crap thing was HUGE!!!

    Me, I'm still holding out for the .700Weatherby! Until then, I'll be "stuck with" the 12ga SLUG...and something in a .3xxWeatherby or H&H.

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    Default 12g is what...

    .75cal?

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    12 gauge is actually .729 caliber.

    11 gauge is .751 cal, and 10 gauge is .775. You can go on to 8 gauge at .835, 4 gauge at 1.052" and 2 gauge at 1.325". Heck go all the way to 1 gauge at 1.669". On that scale a 30 mm is 1.18" or "only" about 3 gauge (1.157").

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    No doubt!

    The round balls only weigh 1750 grains or 4 ounces, but I'm sure you could find a conical that would top 3500 grains or 8 ounces.
    And just think about that for a minute.
    3500grain SLUG...at what, 800-1000fps...at 10yards.

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    I shot 10 dram loads from a 4 bore and I assure you that's more than most people would want. I haven't quite worked up to the full 14 dram load though. I guess I'm not that brave/sadistic!!! My 500/450 is a pleasure to shoot as are the 470s. I haven't yet shot a 500, 577, or 600. Although I may shoot a 600 this weekend.

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    Brass cost is a huge kick in the pants, Last I found was from Huntingtons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Brass cost is a huge kick in the pants, Last I found was from Huntingtons.
    And like what a 197ftlb recoil or something? Yikes.
    http://www.vincelewis.net/700.html

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    I shot a Wilks 600NE today with full power loads. Lot's of recoil, but managable. 2-4 rounds would be about as much as most people would want. Cal who owns the rifle and I were discussing the 700NE and his take was it's a non issue. It has no history like the 600. The 600 was built as a working tool. The 700 is a rich man's toy. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    Brett

    PS. They've come out with a 750NE. Again a rich man's toy.

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    I once had the opportunity to shoot and regulate (with ammo development) an original Jeffery rifle in 600 NE. I shot it forty times in over the course of three days. My belly muscles were sore from catching myself from tipping over. 900 grains of Barnes originals and Woodleigh softs regulated at 40 yards at 2050 fps. I could shoot the first two touching at forty yards. The rifle weighed 14 pounds and balanced very well. That was my biggest bore size at .618". The 577 T was an animal with 750 grains at 2400 fps. More than enough for me. I think the NE's are loads of fun to shoot. I love the 500 NE.
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    I watched a video at the Dallas SC show this winter of a guy hunting jumbo with the 700NE. When he took a shot, if I remeber right the top lever split his hand open pretty nastily. Too much for me.

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