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    I've shot .338 Win Mag 210 gr Nosler partitions for years for all sorts of animals and now want to try the 200 gr Accubonds what do you think about the accubonds for at least up to Elk size animals, Caribou or Moose? I've worked up a nice load with 75 gr IMR 4350 behind the 200 gr Accubond at 3100 fps....

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    I don't go below 225gr in 338.

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    I have shot the 210 partition and it really works for me. I have shot lots with a 7 mag, 160 accubond and it really works too. But, sadly, I have no experience with 200 accubond in 338. Let us know how it works. J.

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    FWIW, I would go with the 225+gr. I don’t know what you can, instead, achieve with the 225gr Accubond, but Double Tap claims 2,850 fps with that bullet. If so, the 3,100 fps 200gr load starts out fine, and is slightly flatter, but IMO the 225gr AB does better both close up (heavier/more reliable) and down range (heavier and also more energy and less drift). By 150 yds, the 225gr bullet produces more energy than the 200gr, and after 400 yds, the slower-starting 225gr AB even is moving faster than the 200gr AB:

    225GR NOSLER ACCUBOND (0.550 BC) @ 2850 FPS
    Range / Vel. / Impact / KE / Drift
    000 / 2850 / -1.50 / 4058 / 0.00
    050 / 2761 / 1.16 / 3809 / 0.58
    100 / 2678 / 2.68 / 3583 / 1.01
    150 / 2597 / 3.00 / 3370 / 1.73
    200 / 2517 / 2.01 / 3165 / 2.76
    250 / 2439 / -0.36 / 2972 / 4.10
    300 / 2362 / -4.20 / 2787 / 5.78
    350 / 2287 / -9.59 / 2613 / 7.81
    400 / 2213 / -16.66 / 2447 / 10.2
    450 / 2141 / -25.50 / 2290 / 12.97
    500 / 2069 / -36.25 / 2139 / 16.14

    200GR NOSLER ACCUBOND (0.414 BC) @ 3100 FPS
    Range / Vel. / Impact / KE / Drift
    000 / 3100 / -1.5 / 4268 / 0.00
    050 / 2975 / 1.0 / 3931 / 0.61
    100 / 2859 / 2.53 / 3630 / 1.13
    150 / 2746 / 2.99 / 3349 / 2.00
    200 / 2636 / 2.28 / 3086 / 3.26
    250 / 2529 / 0.33 / 2840 / 4.91
    300 / 2424 / -3.00 / 2610 / 6.99
    350 / 2323 / -7.81 / 2397 / 9.51
    400 / 2224 / -14.23 / 2197 / 12.5
    450 / 2127 / -22.42 / 2009 / 16.00
    500 / 2033 / -32.54 / 1836 / 20.04

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    Gotta agree with the 225gr.+ bullets for 338 Win. or 340 WBY. The 225gr. TSX shoots so good in my 340's and my 338's that I see no reason to shoot any other bullet, especially when you consider that the 225gr. TSX normally out penetrates the 250gr. NP and does so with less felt recoil and a flatter trajectory. I have two different custom 338 Wins with 22 inch barrels and both of them drive 225gr. bullets @ 2850 fps. Both my 340 WBY's have 23 inch barrels and drive the same bullet @ 3,000 fps. Even in my one 338/06, I wont shoot any bullet lighter than 225grs.

    For a couple decades I killed numerous bull elk with the NP 225gr. bullet and I like it very much, but the TSX simply out penetrates it and will shoot just as well or slightly better over-all in a wide variety of rifles.

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    Besides what everyone else has said, which I do agree, what advantage were you looking for with the 200 grain Accubond? Maybe its something I am overlooking?

    If I had a choice of only the 200 grain Accubond or Partition, I would take the Partition. If tragectory is the main concern, they will be virtually Identical. Their B.C.'s are almost the same, .414 vs. .400. I opine that close up penetration would be better with the Partition and flatness would be a wash. Notice it is only an opinion because I have never used the 200 grain Accubond, only the 180 grain Accubond and 210 Partition, but in the much slower 338 Federal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineHawk View Post
    FWIW, I would go with the 225+gr. I don’t know what you can, instead, achieve with the 225gr Accubond, but Double Tap claims 2,850 fps with that bullet. If so, the 3,100 fps 200gr load starts out fine, and is slightly flatter, but IMO the 225gr AB does better both close up (heavier/more reliable) and down range (heavier and also more energy and less drift). By 150 yds, the 225gr bullet produces more energy than the 200gr, and after 400 yds, the slower-starting 225gr AB even is moving faster than the 200gr AB:

    225GR NOSLER ACCUBOND (0.550 BC) @ 2850 FPS
    Range / Vel. / Impact / KE / Drift
    000 / 2850 / -1.50 / 4058 / 0.00
    050 / 2761 / 1.16 / 3809 / 0.58
    100 / 2678 / 2.68 / 3583 / 1.01
    150 / 2597 / 3.00 / 3370 / 1.73
    200 / 2517 / 2.01 / 3165 / 2.76
    250 / 2439 / -0.36 / 2972 / 4.10
    300 / 2362 / -4.20 / 2787 / 5.78
    350 / 2287 / -9.59 / 2613 / 7.81
    400 / 2213 / -16.66 / 2447 / 10.2
    450 / 2141 / -25.50 / 2290 / 12.97
    500 / 2069 / -36.25 / 2139 / 16.14

    200GR NOSLER ACCUBOND (0.414 BC) @ 3100 FPS
    Range / Vel. / Impact / KE / Drift
    000 / 3100 / -1.5 / 4268 / 0.00
    050 / 2975 / 1.0 / 3931 / 0.61
    100 / 2859 / 2.53 / 3630 / 1.13
    150 / 2746 / 2.99 / 3349 / 2.00
    200 / 2636 / 2.28 / 3086 / 3.26
    250 / 2529 / 0.33 / 2840 / 4.91
    300 / 2424 / -3.00 / 2610 / 6.99
    350 / 2323 / -7.81 / 2397 / 9.51
    400 / 2224 / -14.23 / 2197 / 12.5
    450 / 2127 / -22.42 / 2009 / 16.00
    500 / 2033 / -32.54 / 1836 / 20.04
    In 2007, my son and I went to South Africa and hunted plains game. I was using a .338 load that pushed a 210 gr Nosler partition bullet at 3100 ft. /s. I shot a Wildebeest, Gemsbock, Kudu, Warthog and a little Springbuck. The ranges of the shots ranged from 100-400 yards. The Kudu was shot at 300 yard and the bullet was not recovered. The Gemsbock was shot at about 100 yards and the Nosler bullet was recovered from under the skin on the opposite side. The bullet performed beautifully. The Wildebeest was shot with a frontal shot and the bullet was recovered in the spine about halfway through the animal, again the bullet performed beautifully. Every one of these animals was killed instantly, put their feet in the air and never took another step. This speaks well for the Nosler partition bullet. I have shot three good-sized bull elk and on two of them the animals were killed very quickly, never taking another step; however, the bullets were never recovered.

    Year before last, I shot an elk here in Colorado at about 425 yards. I shot twice, once through the heart and once through the lungs. The bullet did not expand and just put a small hole through the tissues with very little damage. I felt that this was a bullet failure. Why the bullet did not expand, I don't know, but has always worked in the past. That's the reason I was interested in trying the Accubond bullet since I thought it might expand a bit better, and being a bonded bullet, would hold together for elk sized animals.

    I have never used heavier weight bullet in the .338 Win Mag. than the 210gr. and since they have performed so well I saw no reason to go to the heavier bullet. If I were to hunt dangerous game, like large bear, I would either go to the 250 gr Swift A-frame or use my .416 Remington.

    The advantage that I see of the 200/210gr bullet is that the trajectory is flatter, the energy holds up well to 400 yards, the limit of where I'm willing to shoot, and I have a proven past history of performance with the 210gr Nosler. The 210gr Nosler is -8.28 inches at 350 yards and -14.8 inches at 400 yards. This compares to the 225gr Nosler which is -10.87 inches low at 350 yards and -18.52 inches low at 400 yards. The energies at 400 yards are 2264 foot-pounds for the 210gr and 2187 foot-pounds for the 225gr. With the past performance history with the 210 Nosler including very good penetration, I see no real reason to go to the heavier 225 grain bullet. These are just a few thoughts and perhaps explain why I'm looking at the 200 grain Accubond bullet.

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    Silvertip,

    If that Nosler 210gr. bullet has always worked that well, (with the exception of the failure to expand last year) then I would not be looking for a heavier bullet either. I lost acount of how many big bull elk I killed with the 225gr. NP, but during those years I was regularly hunting three states per year for elk, plus hunting with my wife and kids for thier elk and I got to shoot dozens of elk with the 225gr. NP. About one third the time I would recover a bullet. I always recovered the elk and never had one travel more than 50 yards or so after bing hit and quite a few of my shots were less than perfect placement on big bulls running through heavy timber. I only switched to the 225gr. TSX, because I wanted more penetration, as I dont like recovering bullets on bull elk, the majority of which weighed less than 800 lbs, while I recall two of them that weighed at or over 1,000 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Sundles View Post
    Silvertip,

    If that Nosler 210gr. bullet has always worked that well, (with the exception of the failure to expand last year) then I would not be looking for a heavier bullet either. I lost acount of how many big bull elk I killed with the 225gr. NP, but during those years I was regularly hunting three states per year for elk, plus hunting with my wife and kids for thier elk and I got to shoot dozens of elk with the 225gr. NP. About one third the time I would recover a bullet. I always recovered the elk and never had one travel more than 50 yards or so after bing hit and quite a few of my shots were less than perfect placement on big bulls running through heavy timber. I only switched to the 225gr. TSX, because I wanted more penetration, as I dont like recovering bullets on bull elk, the majority of which weighed less than 800 lbs, while I recall two of them that weighed at or over 1,000 lbs.
    Tim:

    Would you stick with the 210gr partition or try the Accubond? Have you ever had a partition fail like I described? I've never had a .270 Win. 130 or 150 gr. partition fail! I have never tried the Barnes TXS bullet but plan to with my .416 Remington....350 gr TXS at about 2400 fps. I'm also trying the Speer Mag Tips...they're less expensive. Maybe I'll try a TXS with the .338 Win mag. also...

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    SilverTip, I would give the 200gr Accubond a try. I haven't used the 210gr PT or the 200gr Accubond, but all the other Accubonds, from a 270WSM to a 300 Win Mag have worked just as well as Partitions. I think they are both the same bullet really, but the Accubond tends to have a better BC for longer shooting. If you are comfortable using the 200gr-210gr bullets, give the Accubond a try. It is still a .338 bullet with a good SD to allow for good penetration, plus, your tips won't get bunged up in the magazine. Good luck. Scotty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Tip View Post
    Tim:

    Would you stick with the 210gr partition or try the Accubond?

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    I have never used the Accubond, so I dont know. I NEVER had a NP in any caliber or weight fail to open out to 550 yards, which is the furthest shot I've made on an elk with one.

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    If I was shooting at veggie crunchers out past 300 yards on a regular basis I would probably load the 210 Nosler Partition. That bullet has a long proven history of performing well on big bears, big moose, caribou, elk, sheep, etc. Nosler' Acubond is an attempt by them to lure in those that are always looking for a new bullet, especially if it is a bonded plastic tipped bullet. It is not an improvement on the reliable and deep penetrating Partition.

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    I have only used 225 partitions or Hornady spire points in my .338 without fail. Both bullets performed ideally.

    The proof for me was in a huge bull moose I killed a few years ago. Estimated live weight was 1600-1800 lbs, this was a frontal shot at 90 yards, the bullet hit 3 inches below the shoulder blade joint dead center of the leg bone shattering it, through 2 ribs, the heart, the stomachs and into the intestines where I left it ( not a fan of digging through digested intestinal matter ), near full length through the moose. The moose did a pirouette and fell over dead flat onto its' back.

    The 225 partition is, I think, ideal for caliber and continent.

    If your primary interest is better performance I suggest moving up in bullet weight rather than bullet construction. Knowing a bullet shoots a tad bit flatter is not near as important as knowing where to put the bullet you are shooting.

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