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    Default Best for the Bush

    Hey Friends, I'm looking for some advice on whats sled is best for the bush. I do a lot of slow riding while hunting bunnys and birds with a lot of stop and go in deep snow. I was riding an old Ski-doo Everest that has died of old age. I was thinking of a Skandic SWT. I like the super wide track and it's long too. I am not so concerned about turning quick or riding fast. I do want good gas mileage and a four stroke sounds great. Got to start when its bitter cold and be depenable. What do you Folks think and what would you use. Anybody have any clue as to what sort of MPG the SWT gets? I can tell you I ride two up at times and pull a sled when hunting Caribou or hauling supplies to our camp. I like Ski-doos but I am open to new sleds. Thanks for your help.

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    I have a Ski Doo SWT (24inch)and believe its the best deep snow machine around.
    However I have the 550F and while it has great power it also only gets about 8 to 10 MPG depending on conditions. It also is a terrible 2 up machine because the tunnel is so wide. It a specialised machine that is great at what it does. A more general use machine I feel would be a WT (20 inch) with a newer 4 stroak for better fuel economy. They have a higher seat for better 2 up performance and the tunnel is not as wide.
    I think my SWT is great for hauling stuff around in the deep snow and it is very hard to get stuck either fwds or even in reverse. I have barryed machines with 15 and 16 inch wide tracks where my SWT just keeps moving along.
    One factor with the new engines is cold starting. My 550F is a proven performer, thats why I got it. you just have to take the fuel economy in stride.
    A lot of the answer for you is what you are comfortable with.


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    If I could only have one snowmachine, I lived in the bush, and I depended on the machine as a tool and not a toy? I'd have a late 90's vintage Tundra. There's no question about that.

    If I was determined to have a wide track I'd have a Yamaha VK540 III. In fact, I do have one. I've ridden Ski doo's wide tracks. I'll be polite and just say I don't prefer them.

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    Hello Mr Pid
    I have never ridden a yamaha but would like to know what you think.
    Not to start an argument, just curious.

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    Default 4x4 for the snow!




    The "Sherpa" (just google Sherpa snowmobiles) Forget 2-up, you can go 4 or 5-up with this baby!
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    No argument from me. I have several friends that have SkiDoo fat tracked machines. I'm the minority.

    I had a Viking II and loved it. I upgraded to the III when it was introduced because it has much more suspension travel in the rear. I was apprehensive at first because I pull big freight sleds and worried about how big suspension travel would affect durability but it's been flawless. The typical response of my friends that ride other wide track brands is WOW! The Yamaha is much smoother to ride. I'd really like the new Yamaha Professional. 4 stroke, smooth ride, big time torque, but it all comes with a price tag that keeps me on my Viking.

    My objection to the SWT is the lack of rear suspension and the low handlebar height. A stock SWT kills my lower back. I'd probably object less to the suspension if the rider position was more upright. A guy could extend the cables and put risers on the bars, but for the sales price SkiDoo gets, a guy shouldn't have to. SkiDoo would still be my second choice for a big machine. Great motor and transmission. Maybe the best out there. My Yammy's been solid, too.

    Does anybody know what the Alpina twin track sells for? I've looked for info on the net but all I find is pretty pictures.
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    Default Yamaha Wide track?

    What kind of transsmision does the Yamaha Viking have? Does it have low range? What Kind of gas miliage does it get?
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    High/Low/Reverse. I've never seen the transmission innards because it's never required attention. Mileage? No clue. I've never paid any attention and I've never run out. It has a 540cc fan-cooled single carb motor. It does pretty good on gas.

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    Default Alaska Trapping

    I would post the same question in the Alaska Trapping section. These guys use their sno-go's for work not play!

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    Default Best in the brush

    Yamaha Bravo or old Tundra.

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    I have been looking at a few work machines and think I decided on the '08 yamaha RS viking pro. do any of you guys have one of those? it has a l-r-h transmition the genesis 120 4-stroke and a 156/20 track. i have not been able to dig up much information on them. it will be largely a work sled with some fun thrown in from time to time. hauling stuff in/out of the cabin and toting the shanty to and from various lakes around the state.

    my two big concerns are efficiency and noise. I cant stand to ride my buddies rmk its way loud. and I want to run all day on a tank of fuel.

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    Unless you're going to have access to power so you can "plug in", stay away from 4 strokes. If you have one in the bush, at some point in time it will leave you stranded when you need it to start due to cold weather. When the temp goes to -30F, starting becomes an iffy thing, and that's where 2 strokes will get you home. 4 strokes get good gas mileage but for a true "bush machine", 2 strokes get the nod. Like it was said earlier I'd have a late '90's Tundra Long Track.
    just my .02

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    Default 600 Sdi

    Just for thought.....

    My wife rides a Renegade 600 SDI. It is great on fuel, real close or equal to 4 strokes. If there is a work sled with that motor in it, you could get great mileage with easy cold starts. Just throwing an idea out there.

    Happy riding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbsmith View Post
    Unless you're going to have access to power so you can "plug in", stay away from 4 strokes.
    From what I've been reading and hearing, this seems very true. Just like your rig at home, you gotta plug it in when it gets really cold to make 'em happy...

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    Default Might want to ask mod elan....

    He is "very" knowlegable about machines, has grown up with them, fixes them and rides the hell out of them. I would take his recommendation for sure.

    Just listening to what you want, surely a widetrak is what you want for stop and go in deep snow.

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    When the going gets tough.....

    Pulling heavy loads, nothing beats wide-tracked machines with low range.

    In really deep snow, we break trail with Tundras so the wide tracks don't get buried. Add some hills and gullies and the Tundras are better yet.

    If you do get stuck? Believe me, a Tundra is the one you'll rather get unstuck!

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    Default Lots of info

    If you pulling heavy loads I would go with a WT or SWT but if you mostly breaking trail with a light load I would go Tundra, or maybe a Bravo. I would stay away from 4 stroke for cold starting reasons, and they are heavy! IMO

    Lots of info here:

    http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?showforum=92

    and here:

    http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?showforum=30

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    http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=50901 Here Muphyslaw Good read, on this one .Friend bought one this yr, Little tippy in the deep stuff, Wider ski,s would solve that, And when you let off the gas, Throw you Fwd, like put the brakes on, Doesn,t coast... Other than that, It is a awsome machine!

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    Default Yamaha VK Pro 2008

    I am the guy that owns the new Yamaha VK Pro that SusitnaAK is talking about. Click the Yamaha link and you'll get all the details you want.

    I am not taking anything away from Ski Doo's, Artic Cat's, or the Polaris, all are good machines in there own rights. This year at the winter show I put them all up against one another and debated on Ski Doo's Expedition and Skandic's, and the Yamaha VK Pro. I settled on the Yamaha and have absolutely no regrets what so ever, it's an awesome sled. (My upgrades were a cover, plug-in, set of spare plugs, a new hitch [penile hook I think they call it], come along, and tow straps.)

    1. I have started it at -20 with no issues at all, they tell me at -35 it will snort but should start, -40 you might need to plug it in. I picked up a $100 1200 watt 2cycle generator at Schuck's just in case, warms it just fine but have not needed it yet.

    2. It'll pull what ever you can hook to it, you'll even have to look back once in a while to make sure it's all still there because you can't tell your pulling anything.

    3. 2 up seat is very comfortable, took my wife out for the first time on it and it was a very pleasurable ride for her. She will ride again with no hesitation.

    4. GPH - I have gotten anywhere from 15 to 20gph depending on how you ride. going 95mph has been my top speed but it does like the gas when your going that fast. But for standard riding, expect to get 15 to 20 gph and with today's prices on gas, I am very happy to have that.

    5. Service from Anchorage Yamaha = had a bolt come off and wanted my machine just looked over and they had the machine back to me in less than 3 hours. Very happy so far if that will continue.

    These are the highlights but as I said, I think all the machine are good in there own right, but with the VK PRO, I'd be surprised if you didn't like it. Good luck. Tony

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    Quote Originally Posted by tzieli22 View Post
    ...a new hitch [penile hook I think they call it]...
    Penile hook, YIKES! wouldn't want one of those! Think you were referring to a pintle hitch HA!

    BTW, Is that you going from the big su toward the deshka?

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