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    Hello all.
    Looking through the archives I did not find what i was looking for.
    I will be doing a fishing trip on the Canning on the north side of the brooks range and will try my luck on the fly pole .
    Not ever using a fly rig I am not sure what types of flies I should use for char and Grayling .
    I am not totally sure if there will be any other types of fish in the river during August September .
    Still have to buy a Fly pole and reel any guess what weight I should get ??
    Any help will be great . I will also have a spinning reel as main back up .

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    Sounds like a great trip man. Your trip timing couldn't be better. The arctic is a special place this time of year and if you are flyfishing for dollies, all the better. A favorite activity of mine and we have done three seperate float trips doing just this. Feel free to PM me and we can talk further. I have spent a good bit of time flyfishing for dollies and grayling in NW Alaska. My suggestion is to get a 6 wt four piece fly rod. I would take a cheaper rod perhaps as a back up. Lots of ideas here, PM me if you want more thoughts.

    For fly lines, I use a type III 12' sink tip with great success. Most of the fish stack up in deeper holes/runs. With that said, taking a WF (floating) line is a good bet too. I would take two 6 wt rods and two reels. WF line on one reel, type III sink tip on the other. Most folks would say just get one reel and a spare spool. But these people are not generally fishing on remote rivers as you have planned. I always take back up rods and extra reels. You will be SOL if something breaks/fails and you don't have a spare. Not positive on the Canning, but if you are finding 4-8 feet holes (or more), the type III sink tip would be good to take. In shallower areas, use the WF line. I like 3-4' of 10lb Maxima flouro leader material (small spool) for the sink tip lines. Cabelas sells it, not a hard to find thing. For the WF line, I like 7.5' leaders of 1-2x. You may want some of the esl with lead eyes for the WF line. That way you can fish 2-3 foot deep areas easily with the 7.5' leaders. For the sink tip, use the standard esl (non-weighted) as the sink tip carries the short 3' leader down. I find the biggest dollies right on the bottom of deeper holes/runs. So do have a line capable of getting down deep. See any canyon walls with deep holes, fish right up against the wall and as deep as you can get.

    For flies, there is simply no more effective fly in my experience than a purple egg sucking leech with a pink head. However, I do like black esl with pink heads as well. Take some of both, perhaps 2 purple to every 1 black. Similar ratio, perhaps 2-3 non-weighted to every one weighted. Good to have a bit of variety. I would take size #2 or #4. Don't worry about these larger flies, grayling will tear them up. What the dollies eat, the grayling eat. The best ones I have bought (by far) were from the good folks at www.Alaskaflyfishinggoods.com (shop in Juneau). If you only took these four flies, I guarantee you will have fishing success for grayling and dollies. There is no question about it. Link below....

    http://www.alaskaflyfishinggoods.com...uct-flyer.html

    http://www.alaskaflyfishinggoods.com...uct-flyer.html

    http://www.alaskaflyfishinggoods.com...uct-flyer.html

    http://www.alaskaflyfishinggoods.com...uct-flyer.html


    Below is nine foot St Croix 6wt 4pc fly rod, reel, and line for $105. It is normally $160.

    http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...430&hasJS=true


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    What ever you do, be sure to buy TWO of these...


    http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...556&hasJS=true
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    Grayling will eat anything that floats, which is why they are so fun. Stimulators, parachute adams, humpies, wulfs, etc. etc. wet flies and nymphs are also deadly, so deadly that I find them boring to fish.

    Char - Orange streamers worked well for me on ugashik
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    On arctic rivers, I find grayling in the middle water column. With your trip timing, there won't be any flying bugs around, not that there are many other than mosquitoes before then anyway. Doubt you would get any takes on topwater flies, but what the hell, it is always fun to try new things. Especially if you really like casting
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    Thanks guys for all the tips .
    Most of those good buys on fly poles at Cabelas has already been sold but I am sure there will be more.
    I still have a few months to get ready and buy some gear.
    Thanks again.

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    Yeah, those deals went fast. The other day they had many configurations available. But like you said, you got plenty of time.
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    I have 3 of those st. croix combos and have been happy with their performance; have 8 wt used for salmon and a 5 wt (4 piece) have used for backpacking. I am just a novice fly guy and these combos have proven to be good starter rigs. Cabelas had the same sale last year.

    I will be on the Canning in August, as well. I appreciate the information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danattherock View Post
    Sounds like a great trip man. Your trip timing couldn't be better. The arctic is a special place this time of year and if you are flyfishing for dollies, all the better. A favorite activity of mine and we have done three seperate float trips doing just this. Feel free to PM me and we can talk further. I have spent a good bit of time flyfishing for dollies and grayling in NW Alaska. My suggestion is to get a 6 wt four piece fly rod. I would take a cheaper rod perhaps as a back up. Lots of ideas here, PM me if you want more thoughts.

    For fly lines, I use a type III 12' sink tip with great success. Most of the fish stack up in deeper holes/runs. With that said, taking a WF (floating) line is a good bet too. I would take two 6 wt rods and two reels. WF line on one reel, type III sink tip on the other. Most folks would say just get one reel and a spare spool. But these people are not generally fishing on remote rivers as you have planned. I always take back up rods and extra reels. You will be SOL if something breaks/fails and you don't have a spare. Not positive on the Canning, but if you are finding 4-8 feet holes (or more), the type III sink tip would be good to take. In shallower areas, use the WF line. I like 3-4' of 10lb Maxima flouro leader material (small spool) for the sink tip lines. Cabelas sells it, not a hard to find thing. For the WF line, I like 7.5' leaders of 1-2x. You may want some of the esl with lead eyes for the WF line. That way you can fish 2-3 foot deep areas easily with the 7.5' leaders. For the sink tip, use the standard esl (non-weighted) as the sink tip carries the short 3' leader down. I find the biggest dollies right on the bottom of deeper holes/runs. So do have a line capable of getting down deep. See any canyon walls with deep holes, fish right up against the wall and as deep as you can get.

    For flies, there is simply no more effective fly in my experience than a purple egg sucking leech with a pink head. However, I do like black esl with pink heads as well. Take some of both, perhaps 2 purple to every 1 black. Similar ratio, perhaps 2-3 non-weighted to every one weighted. Good to have a bit of variety. I would take size #2 or #4. Don't worry about these larger flies, grayling will tear them up. What the dollies eat, the grayling eat. The best ones I have bought (by far) were from the good folks at www.Alaskaflyfishinggoods.com (shop in Juneau). If you only took these four flies, I guarantee you will have fishing success for grayling and dollies. There is no question about it. Link below....

    http://www.alaskaflyfishinggoods.com...uct-flyer.html

    http://www.alaskaflyfishinggoods.com...uct-flyer.html

    http://www.alaskaflyfishinggoods.com...uct-flyer.html

    http://www.alaskaflyfishinggoods.com...uct-flyer.html


    Below is nine foot St Croix 6wt 4pc fly rod, reel, and line for $105. It is normally $160.

    http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...430&hasJS=true


    Learning how to fly cast? Do yourself a favor and buy this no non-sense dvd from the legend himself. I learned how to cast watching this dvd. Great info and he just tells it like it is. Nice and simple.

    http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...973&hasJS=true


    Dan


    Dan

    Cabelas listed a few more and now I have one on the way.

    Thanks for the heads up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksaye View Post
    I have 3 of those st. croix combos and have been happy with their performance; have 8 wt used for salmon and a 5 wt (4 piece) have used for backpacking. I am just a novice fly guy and these combos have proven to be good starter rigs. Cabelas had the same sale last year.

    I will be on the Canning in August, as well. I appreciate the information.

    ksaye

    Leave a few fish for us we will be a few days behind you .
    Along with fishing I will be looking for a Brown bear so if you want to leave a gut pile along the way that would be fine with me.

    Enjoy your trip and as always take many many pictures.

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    Just jumping in for the ride. I am thinking about the Brooks Range next year and just getting a little early information. Dan you're already somebody I've been told to talk to.

    Hope you guys have a great trip, take lots of pictures and get ready for a few questions.

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    I will for sure have lots of pictures and some stories to share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2PawsRiver View Post
    Dan you're already somebody I've been told to talk to.

    Hope you guys have a great trip, take lots of pictures and get ready for a few questions.

    PM me your email address and lets talk. I don't know much, but what I know I will share with you. Done three floats in NW and have another half dozen or so planned in Gates of Arctic NP, Kobuk, and ANWR.


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    Default Canning flying service

    Know any flying services that operate in the upper Canning?

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    Check with Kirk Sweetsir of Yukon Air. He has a website.
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    Default Here's some stuff...

    from the archives:

    http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/boa...rl/canning.htm

    A pdf file with complete river log is also available there.

    From the link:
    "Fishing for grayling and Arctic char during our trip was poor. The fishing probably changes with the time of year and with water clarity. Although we did not observe or catch any, anadromous char reportedly run in the river".

    Good luck.

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    Those reports fail to tell you that the very meaning of anadromous means these dollies move in and out of the river to the ocean.

    By no small coincidence in July, the timing of the above float, the dollies (90%+ in fact) were out in the ocean.

    They return later in the summer to overwinter in the river and if one were to flyfish for them in mid August through mid Sept, the report would read MUCH differently.

    It would have said something to the effect...

    "Holy shet, dollies were jumping in the frigging raft. We had to beat them with willow branches to keep them away from the purple egg sucking leech Dan told me about, these fish are psycho. Help, send more flies...."



    If you got some time and interest, Google search this...

    "Canning River anadromous dolly varden"


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