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    IMR 8202 XBR will be available very soon. What is IMR 8202 XBR? Well some reviews are saying it is a powder that will afford the reloader with a powder capable of duplicating the Hornady Light Magnums in cartridges of the 308 family and the like.

    I plan to try some in my new 338 Federal with Nosler 180 and 200 grain Balistic Tip bullets. One source of information from last years shot show claimed that velocities of 2850 with a 180 grain bullet and 2700 with a 200 grain slug were possible with top loads for this cartridge.

    Crow's Shooting Supply in Brooklyn Ia is the largest distributor of reloading supplies in the midwest supplying components to Graf& Sons and the like. Owner, Steve said that he should be getting his first shipment for redistribution by weeks end.

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    Any idea where the burn rate falls for IMR 8202 XBR?
    I will say of the two calibers I have fired Hornady light magnum over chronograph they gave very impressive velocitys. Those two I've tried being 270 Winchester in 130 grain and 7mm-08 in 139 grain. Based on the results of those two, I would sure be interested if it is the powder used, or one similiar enough to duplicate like velocity and pressure curves.

    Interesting you posted this, just tonight I got out the box of 270 light mag to see how many were left. Am planning on mic'ing them for base expansion before FL resizing.

    I have already mic'd the spent rounds of 7-08 and planning on using Ken Water's method of FL resizing and loading with RL17 and same type of bullets and see what velocity I can get with same base expansion as the light mag loads. Was thinking of using RL22 with the 270 rounds, for my rifle that gives me better velocity and accuracy than 4831.

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    I picked up 8 pounds today at http://www.brunoshooters.com they didn't have anything smaller. Reviews are looking good so I decided to take a chance.

    I'm hoping to streamline my powders into just a few. This new powder should work well in my 204, 243, 308 and a buddies 6.5X47

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshall View Post
    I picked up 8 pounds today at http://www.brunoshooters.com they didn't have anything smaller. Reviews are looking good so I decided to take a chance.

    I'm hoping to streamline my powders into just a few. This new powder should work well in my 204, 243, 308 and a buddies 6.5X47
    I was going to order some too but the haz-mat fees are rediculous. Crow's is a 15 minute drive.

    In short cases I shoot 243, 7mm-08 and 338 Federal and was thinking like your thinking. I have a whole bunch of cans of powder on the shelf that are a quarter full or less. I like the one powder for all three cartridges idea.

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    I hadn't checked in a while but Hodgdon's reloading center does now list loads for this powder. However I don't see it listed for 243 loads and in the 308 loads it doesn't do anything spectacular. It does look like the powder of choice for the 338 Fed though.

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    This will be the most popular powder ever sold for the benchrest shooters. This powder is made to duplicate the surplus powder that we all used to buy from T-bird ctg years ago and have been heart broken since they ran out. 8208 was pull down powder from Army mortar rounds and was great in small capacity ctgs. I hope it is as good as the old stock of 8208. You can sure kiss that crap from overseas good by if it does as well. This will be similar to H-322 and a number of others I could name but where never quite the same as 8208. I know the shooter who was most involved with getting Hodgson to bring this powder back and it sure has been putting down some small groups for bench rest shooters who rifles have one thing in common with the stuff most of us shoot, they both have holes in the end of the barrels, and use scopes that cost several thousand bucks.
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    Thanks for that info Big Al. Interesting stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    This will be the most popular powder ever sold for the benchrest shooters. This powder is made to duplicate the surplus powder that we all used to buy from T-bird ctg years ago and have been heart broken since they ran out. 8208 was pull down powder from Army mortar rounds and was great in small capacity ctgs. I hope it is as good as the old stock of 8208. You can sure kiss that crap from overseas good by if it does as well. This will be similar to H-322 and a number of others I could name but where never quite the same as 8208. I know the shooter who was most involved with getting Hodgson to bring this powder back and it sure has been putting down some small groups for bench rest shooters who rifles have one thing in common with the stuff most of us shoot, they both have holes in the end of the barrels, and use scopes that cost several thousand bucks.

    Thunder Bird Cartridge Company. Man that place was tough to find. I probably still have some of that old powder around.
    I also still have a pound of H322 I paid $6.99 for at The Pistol Parlor.

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    Are they still in business in Lave en Arizona. It used to be out in the middle of no where. I remember the two huge reloading machine out beside the place made for Winchester ctg co. Eric Lutfee if he is still alive must be pass 70 years old by now?


    I used to pay the huge amount of .98 cents per pound or .60 per pound in quanity of 50 or a hundred pounds for 4831 4350, or some of the canister powders from the Rifle Ranch in Prescott Arizona. Back in the early 60's. I thought they went nuts when powder went to 2.50 a pound.
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    Default Where is it made?

    Is the stuff actually made in the US?

    Seems like all the powder I buy nowadays is made overseas or Canada.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    This will be the most popular powder ever sold for the benchrest shooters. This powder is made to duplicate the surplus powder that we all used to buy from T-bird ctg years ago and have been heart broken since they ran out. 8208 was pull down powder from Army mortar rounds and was great in small capacity ctgs. I hope it is as good as the old stock of 8208. You can sure kiss that crap from overseas good by if it does as well. This will be similar to H-322 and a number of others I could name but where never quite the same as 8208. I know the shooter who was most involved with getting Hodgson to bring this powder back and it sure has been putting down some small groups for bench rest shooters who rifles have one thing in common with the stuff most of us shoot, they both have holes in the end of the barrels, and use scopes that cost several thousand bucks.
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    Most powder comes from Australia or New Zealand that is brought into the USA. A lot of powder is produced in Europe, some in Afrrica. I do not know of any powder any longer produced in the USA> Most of our black powder comes out of Europe (the best). Most of the stuff is produced by Ruag or some of the others I can't spell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    the Rifle Ranch in Prescott Arizona.
    I miss the Rifle Ranch, my sister bought the place and lived there for a while in the 90s. When I was a kid I was mesmerized by the polar bear he had in there and that is where the thought of living in Alaska someday was planted in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmerkeithclone View Post
    IMR 8202 XBR will be available very soon. What is IMR 8202 XBR? Well some reviews are saying it is a powder that will afford the reloader with a powder capable of duplicating the Hornady Light Magnums in cartridges of the 308 family and the like.

    I plan to try some in my new 338 Federal with Nosler 180 and 200 grain Balistic Tip bullets. One source of information from last years shot show claimed that velocities of 2850 with a 180 grain bullet and 2700 with a 200 grain slug were possible with top loads for this cartridge.

    Crow's Shooting Supply in Brooklyn Ia is the largest distributor of reloading supplies in the midwest supplying components to Graf& Sons and the like. Owner, Steve said that he should be getting his first shipment for redistribution by weeks end.

    So in the 375 calibers the H&H should be around 375 Ruger numbers.....




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    IMR 8202 XBR will be available very soon. What is IMR 8202 XBR? Well some reviews are saying it is a powder that will afford the reloader with a powder capable of duplicating the Hornady Light Magnums in cartridges of the 308 family and the like.
    That's cool. I've been stockpiling Federal HE in .30-06 because I couldn't figure out a way to duplicate that load.


    I do not know of any powder any longer produced in the USA> Most of our black powder comes out of Europe (the best).
    St. Marks Powder Co. owned by General Dynamics in St. Marks, FL produces quite a few powders for different labels and GOEX is still producing BP in LA.
    Now what ?

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    For the .375H&H and the .30-06 you will never go wrong with haveing a bunch of 4350 powder on hand. Buy yourself a case of 8Lbs kegs and be happy for a long time. 4350 is the one powder I feel like I can never be out of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    For the .375H&H and the .30-06 you will never go wrong with haveing a bunch of 4350 powder on hand. Buy yourself a case of 8Lbs kegs and be happy for a long time. 4350 is the one powder I feel like I can never be out of.
    Personaly for what I load its RL22, RL 15, VN 560, VN 160 but hey to each his own

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    Default i want some ....i "yahooed" and it got me right here..

    i was in north pole last week hunting some of this up for my 22-250...fast
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