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    Question Are u a hunter if you don't clean the game you shot?

    Was listening to a radio show .... A guy was talking about his deer hunt (state side) and was BS'ing about the hunt etc. It was said/told that when so & so,( the guy he's huntin with) got done with the dirty work, blah ....blah............ so are u a hunter if all u do is pull the trigger and pose for pic's ..u get the idea( i don't know what it's called but I don't think it's "hunting")
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    No your a horn porn addicted sport killer who has no more respect for life than punching holes in paper.
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    That's why I do not watch many hunting shows on the outdoor channel anymore. It's all about killing something, no matter how little it is. As long as they kill something the show is a success in their eyes. Very few shows are real "hunting" shows anymore.

    If you shoot it and don't help out, you have some ego issues. It's your animal, so it's YOUR responsibility.
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    Default Unethical Hunters/Fishermen

    Seen a lot of sorry individuals do the same thing with fish on charter boats. Most don't bait their own hooks and danged few clean their own fish. Yet, they often think of themselves as being fishermen.

    These types of people that have others do their dirty work are slugs and parasitic by their nature. They think because they can afford to pay others to do it, that it is OK. It is downright unethical to have someone else gut your game, bait your hooks or clean your fish.
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    Default tough one

    Some questions come to mind, and I don't claim to have "the" answer to any or all of them. I will say, though, that I am not 100% sold on some of the responses above. I think at least some reflect a "purist" attitude, which is OK and fine, but not necessarily the answer for everyone. It is always a matter of where you draw the line. Questions: •Do you have to walk to your hunting area, or can you be flown in, use a boat, etc? •Do you shoot a moose (next day) that you spotted from the plane? •What do you do if your partner sees the moose instead before you; shoot if he does not want to, or doesn't get the shot? After all, it's his moose. •Can your partner help gutting? If so, what per cent? When does it become "too much" help? •What is the big deal about who cleans the game; does the animal care? How does that reflect on whether or not you are a hunter? It is hunting, after all, not butchering. •If you gut the animal and take it to a butcher to have it processed, are you lessened by that, too? And if your wife/brother/whoever cooks the game, are you now a dink? ••Yes, there is little interest on my part for the typical "hunter" show, as Joe usually shows up at the guide's, walks 6' to a blind, then pulls the trigger on a gun which is resting on a 2x4; bfd. That is pretty cheesy, IMO. • A lot depends on whether or not you are a purist. When I canoe, a bank stroke is fine when needed; a purist would scream. So? The canoe gets down the river, either way. I'd say "Don't worry about who guts. Worry instead about who found the game, who stalked it, who prepared by shooting a lot at the range, who maintained his boat to get there, etc, etc." That's my 2 cents. j

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    TRUE HUNTERs hunt to be one with nature and/or provide for their families.
    A shooter is someone with a loud mechanical toy that is out to impress others "I did this or that"; These words are usually preceeded by "WATCH THIS" or "Hold my Beer". AND then backed up by the usual photo of the shooter kneeling over an animal he really has no desire for and intends to keep only the head and cape for a mount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atvalaska View Post
    Was listening to a radio show .... A guy was talking about his deer hunt (state side) and was BS'ing about the hunt etc. It was said/told that when so & so,( the guy he's huntin with) got done with the dirty work, blah ....blah............ so are u a hunter if all u do is pull the trigger and pose for pic's ..u get the idea( i don't know what it's called but I don't think it's "hunting")

    ATV, well for 75 bucks in many places.. a guy can drop off a deer that he is not allowed to gut in the field, and have it processed for him ready to pick up a week later...the ol sugar ray i take hunting with me does it every year...

    it is the way it works there..

    one of my clients came in yesterday.. with deer from Alabama...a family member owns a deer sealing processing place. it always has extra..
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    Yaaaa.........some guys are freekin' lazy.

    The only time I get away with that is when Im hunting bird in the spring or fall. I will use about the first 20 or so as decoys and neither gut or pluk them untill I get them home,(They freeze while decoying) and the wife will faithfully git 'er done I konw she still likes me then ~~LOL!!~~...... For the birds after my decoys, I do Pluck the breasts ASAP, so the fat dosent cool and pull off with the bottoms of the feathers destroying the skin that hold the fat in when it cooks...... then I gut them and wipe the cavity clean with the down.

    Every thing else must be done as the time of year warrents, and immediate needs, with shooting,skinning, butchering and getting it home usually my job. In summer, I will often completely dissasemble them for immediate processing, in winter I will skin first, then gut and leave the carcass whole and let it freeze and store the choice organs inside the rib cage untill its decided what needs to be done which way.
    In fall I will gut and behead, but leave the skin on as a wrapper till we take it in during winter to thaw skin and butcher the carcass
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    I don't think it matters, as I grew up in MD my cousin and I would gut everyones deer as my dad and uncles drank beer. That was the trade off i got to hunt, just had to work it off. When I take a halibut charter and they say fileting is included then you do not have to tell me to get out of the way. Go to Valdez during the silver run and tell me its not easier to have the guy on the docks do belly filets for $1 a piece. He is alot better and faster then I am. I got no problem cleaning anything I kill but sometimes its just smarter to have someone more experianced handle it. And by the way Pete our butcher in MD charged $35 to process a deer(that was in 1987-1992).

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    Default I was cutting some wax the other day

    The blade poped through and sliced my finger on the other hand real smartly, I grabbed the super glue after I had finished dancing around the house , and put things back together. It's healng up very well now, but it made me think .
    You deal with blood all the time on animals and other people , but when it's you own there is somethnig special about it .
    A good hunter safety course should include cleaning and taking care of the animal harvested. It might detur some of the squimish ones, but it would shure open the eyes of arm chair hunters.
    I believe it is a responsibility not to be thrown off onto some one else, for many reasons.
    First one takes accountability for the harvest, others need to see this it forms a respect.
    second, examination is made to know
    a. the health b.diet c.effectiveness of the weapon.
    third ,If I am cleaning it I know that very little is going to be waisted .
    fourth,I am cheap.

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    I think that hunting,game management,harvesting, or whatever name is placed on it can mean many things to many people. Who am I (or you)to judge what someone else does as long as it within the scope of the law. Does it make you less of a hunter if you use an ATV? Really these kinda topics really dont provide much but cannon fodder do they? Sure is a lot of purist here I guess.

    With all that said I really am not a fan of commercializing of hunting though.

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    If a guy won't do it because he's lazy, that's one thing. If he has a guide or buddy help him or show him how because he has never done it before, that is something else entirely. Nothing wrong with learning how to do it the right way, rather than hacking it to pieces.

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    When I drop the kind of coin it costs to go on a charter and fish cleaning is included in the deal, I let those deck hands go at it. I don't feel any less of a fisherman. I can do the job, but I sure as hell can't do the job while the boat is underway like the last couple deckhands I've been out with. I tip accordingly

    Many, many, private properties down in the states will not allow a deer to be gutted on the property if you get permission to hunt there. You are expected to take the deer somewhere else to do it. In most cases it justs goes to the local processor and it's a done deal. I honestly have no problem with that even though I process my own animals in Alaska from kill to the freezer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akres View Post
    Seen a lot of sorry individuals do the same thing with fish on charter boats. Most don't bait their own hooks and danged few clean their own fish. Yet, they often think of themselves as being fishermen.

    These types of people that have others do their dirty work are slugs and parasitic by their nature. They think because they can afford to pay others to do it, that it is OK. It is downright unethical to have someone else gut your game, bait your hooks or clean your fish.
    I get plenty of opportunitys to clean fish during summer so when I go on a charter and have fish cleaning included it's just a part of business. Don't know if the post was supposed to be humorous, but if it was your lacking at least another smiley or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atvalaska View Post
    Was listening to a radio show .... A guy was talking about his deer hunt (state side) and was BS'ing about the hunt etc. It was said/told that when so & so,( the guy he's huntin with) got done with the dirty work, blah ....blah............ so are u a hunter if all u do is pull the trigger and pose for pic's ..u get the idea( i don't know what it's called but I don't think it's "hunting")
    You guys are missing something here in the quote.

    It is clear to me that the shooter let his hunting partner gut the deer while the shooter stood by and watched. ATV's question is about this point of the radio show: can a shooter that stands by while their buddy cleans their deer actually be considered a hunter?

    The last time I was allowed to do this I was 7 years old when Dad told me to stand there and watch how I do this. Since then even if I didn't pull the trigger I was elbow deep in the gutting, skinning, and meat wrapping.

    I have met a few people that faint at the sight of blood. Any blood.

    I have also met people that could not cut a steak properly and to have them gut a deer would be a violation of the wanton waste laws.

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    My cousin and I field dressed a moose for an old guy this year. He was in plenty good enough shape to haul a rifle but no way was he going to get it butchered on his own, or with the help of my uncle who still has all of the spit and vinegar of his youth but after fighting cancer twice, 4+ bypass surgeries, and a mechanical valve in the ticker he sure wasn't going to be much help! Nope those guys give it their all out hunting and are the real deal but when it comes to the "dirty" work I am glad to help!!

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    This is a good thread and I understand the question posed, at least I think I do, what separates a real hunter from an "armchair" or "wannabe" hunter. It seems that much of what we complain about is simply another source of pride rearing its head. "I hunt this way." "They hunt that way." Therefor, my way is better and I am better because I do it the right way.

    To use an analogy, if I could afford it I would have a housekeeper to help my wife around our home. I believe my wife would say that she would not feel less like a homemaker or my wife, but that she would appreciate the help. When I lived in south Florida I hired a lawn service to mow my yard. I never felt less like a homeowner because I paid someone to do a homeowner's job.

    I think trying to split real hunters from "wannabes" is a sensitive predicament. Having packed out many moose now, there are often thoughts that paying someone to carry my moose doesn't sound like a bad idea. Of course I can't afford to do that with every moose I kill, nor would I want too most of the time. I like to, as Ruark would say, "kill my own snakes." However I am not going to fault someone else from hiring the job done. I think as long as the meat is salvaged correctly, whether he cares for it or hires it done, that a hunter has fulfilled his responsibility as a hunter to care for the meat. The method he chooses is a personal decision that does not effect his status as a hunter IMO.

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    My opinion, like many above. It's just un-ethical. I was born and raised to do just about everything if you CAN. If my dad could build it, he built it instead of us buying it. If my mom could sew it, she sewed instead of us buying it. I'm so sick of people throwing there green paper around and calling themselves hunters, fishers, woodworkers, hard working, etc!

    I apologize if i got a bit of subject but this kind of stuff really rings my bells!!

    Atleast have the decency to ask, learn or worst case, ADMIT that you didn't do all the work

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    Another great thread to allow us to thump our chests and criticize the other guy.
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    Post Hoo-raaahhhh ........

    I for one think there is a differance...doing it yourself and having it done..yea you pay for it, wash and wax it once in awhile...but someone else built it and changes the oil..."there is pride in job one".....on the other hand here...i'll see u back at the lodge (after the shot&pics) i'll be drinking and watching the game on tv.....
    WHEN IN DOUBT> THROTTLE OUT.......

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