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    Default Not sure we have had this discussion..about... TROPHY"S

    watching a movie tonight where they killed a bears and Nailed it's bleeding head to the lodge.

    got me wondering.

    WHERE does the ritual? practice? and heritage come from, to take the head of an animal and hang it in our home.

    was it honor of the animal? or honor of the hunter as victor?
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    I believe it was the hunter that mattered not unlike taking scalps or shrinking heads

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    Speaking only for myself, it is both rolled up into one. My critters are now a part of me and will remain so, until I too depart. I have done this kind of thing since I was a kid and it was not a learned thing from reading or hearing stories. It was/is something that just happened.
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    I think people took home stuff for materials and memories.

    I only keep "War" trophys, not animals. I eat the animal, and thats all that gets in the door but I have kept things I picked up after a bit of the ultra violent.... articals of clothing, a couple teeth I knocked outta a guys mouth, and recently a hat.

    Shrunken heads and Scalps.....if only it were still doable........guys today gotta settle for a Muskox or Bear Im afraid......
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    If I havent already killed your post Vince, I'll add that when talking to my partners in fun, they think its also a "Control issue" deep in the psychie of the individual.
    Also, a fellow memeber here that Ive discussed trophy hunting with claims theres a sexual connection as well.

    I think alotta people see it as a badge of sorts, to show prowness, or just to have something to discuss and share memeoies with themselfs and others.

    maby I should mount this Sheefish I caught today........no , I mean on the wall....ahh ya.....~~LOL!!~~
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    Quote Originally Posted by strangerinastrangeland View Post

    maby I should mount this Sheefish I caught today...

    Man, talk about fish porn....
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    Trophies are alibis; they prove to the missus you weren't actually at the Bush Company
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdubbin View Post
    Trophies are alibis; they prove to the missus you weren't actually at the Bush Company
    I was wondering why the Fiberglass Replicas have become so popular with C&R Guys. "Honestly Hon, I really did go fishing. No, don't have any meat to show for it. But I did bring back this 'trophy' as proof of my prowness at the sport."
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    Quote Originally Posted by strangerinastrangeland View Post
    I think alotta people see it as a badge of sorts, to show prowness, or just to have something to discuss and share memeoies with themselfs and others.
    Stranger- I think this statement of yours answers the question best. It covers pretty much each angle of why people collect trophies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strangerinastrangeland View Post
    If I haven't already killed your post Vince, I'll add that when talking to my partners in fun, they think its also a "Control issue" deep in the psychie of the individual.
    Also, a fellow memeber here that Ive discussed trophy hunting with claims theres a sexual connection as well.

    I think alotta people see it as a badge of sorts, to show prowness, or just to have something to discuss and share memeoies with themselfs and others.

    maby I should mount this Sheefish I caught today........no , I mean on the wall....ahh ya.....~~LOL!!~~

    lol Na not killed yet...

    but it makes me think more... WHY!!!!!

    WHY DID WE START?

    did it start with game? or did it start with the heads of our enemy as a warning?

    i did a search on the history of taxidermy and it is relatively short in life.. sure they USED to actually stuff the animals but that is just the last century.

    memories? i can see some of that.. Powers? not in the gadget age.. and if you get good at some thing many don't believe it anyway.

    and really the most exemplifying, statements are made by many hunters them selfs.... when the comment of trophy rooms come up...

    many do not like walking in and seeing the morgue of animals the other hunter is proud of... yet photos of them with that hunter leads to stories..

    except for bears... seems every one likes bearrugs... there is a lot of romance wound up in them, however NOT the head mounts... and full mounts are things of AWE to show your kids...

    it is ... a very inconsistent rational.
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    Vince, Im surely one of those guys who keeps pictures , prehaps as a more convienient "trophy".
    I'm in it for the memeories then.

    "and full mounts are things of AWE to show your kids..."
    I got too many kids to fit any form of full mount in the house, and I doubt it would last long.....so we do it backwards, and take them apart~~LOL!!~~ No Dogs, no Cats, but I like 'em outside all day long.......Pictures fit in the house just fine, as do things in the freezer....come to think of it, I am actually keeping the animal.....meat, skin, some antlers and ivorys... though conveniently deissasembled, and soon eaten or made into $$.....good health and happyness follow as well.

    I dont know what the kids think about such thing, prehaps Im damaging them........

    There is a certain look of awe just after they drop an animal or bird for the first time, when they glance at that firearm in their hands and realize the extention of their 'Will' is now beyond their arms length...and ends in death......which may be why I arm them.........I bet it was the same with a guys first kill with an arrow or spear.
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    I would think that museums collecting animals of far off lands had alot to do with the start of it all for modern times. The rich man followed with his own private museum. Things like antlers had use as tools and saved.

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    Default to get the story going again

    Maybe the simplest rational is to have a "Conversation piece" that creates the opportunity to tell the story of a great time in the woods.

    Guy spends time in the woods and is not only proud of the results of his effort but wants to be able to retell the story, even if it is just to remember it and relive it to himself.

    I'm surrounded by meat hunters who don't even haul out the antlers, have hunted for years and don't even have any racks out on the garage!! Yet as purist as that all seems I have this intense desire to have more cool racks of wise old bucks and bulls out on the garage.

    My wife would never let me hang a head in the house. Her Dad (lifetime AK hunter who fills tags every year) is a meat hunter who kills does or younger bulls for the quality of the meat and just being around him makes it seem foolish to do otherwise.

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    Default My art

    I'm not a dancer, singer, or painter. Your not likely gonna find a book written by Bighorse anytime soon.

    My movement, planning, and execution of a successful hunt is an extention of my being, my art. The taxidermy is a momento. Long after I'm gone hopefully someone will look on a bear rug, head, or skull and think about AK, game, and hunting.

    My time and experience is only temperary and to leave something is important to me.

    It's also cool to remember, share, and enjoy good taxidermy. In itself it's great art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bighorse View Post
    I'm not a dancer, singer, or painter. Your not likely gonna find a book written by Bighorse anytime soon.

    My movement, planning, and execution of a successful hunt is an extention of my being, my art. The taxidermy is a momento. Long after I'm gone hopefully someone will look on a bear rug, head, or skull and think about AK, game, and hunting.

    My time and experience is only temperary and to leave something is important to me.

    It's also cool to remember, share, and enjoy good taxidermy. In itself it's great art.
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    You should think twice about that book my friend. You do have a way with words. Heck! I'd buy it.

    As for me, I keep them for two reasons
    1. To capture the memory
    2. Probably the most important of all for me. I simply like seeing them. There will come a day when climbing a mountain after Sheep and Mountain Goat’s is just not an option. When that day comes mine will be with me to remind me of better days :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cusackla View Post

    As for me, I keep them for two reasons
    1. To capture the memories
    2. Probably the most important of all for me. I simply like seeing them. There will come a day when climbing a mountain after Sheep and Mountain Goat’s is just not an option. When that day comes mine will be with me to remind me of better days :-)
    Louis

    I second that

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    Every time I look at mine I relive the hunt, admire the majesty of the animal, and dream of the next trip.
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    We can't have any live pets in the house, so we opt for the stuffed ones. I like having my own museum of sorts. Plan is to have one of each species of Alaska big game mounted in the house. We have Alaskan artwork in the railings and pictures on the walls that depict the same theme. We are looking for the right tlingit blanket to hang on a large, open portion of wall, and the baleen will hang below it.

    I love Alaska, its animals and its beauty. I enjoy bringing into my home and having it there for all who visit to see.

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    Some do it to brag. Some to remember. Some do it for both. I dont have any mounts in my house. I do have a few racks in the hunting shack. Nothing big just racks to give it that hunting feel. I have never been a trophy hunter. I like a full freezer and the fun of the hunt.

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    Default Road houses

    Go back a few years and think of the road houses with market hunters......they had Dall Sheep and Moose outside the house to indicate where to get fed.

    The braves wore feathers to indicate their skill.

    A good bear skin bag was always a welcomed household item.

    A head......well with modern manufacturing techniques, shipping infrastructure, and commerce we've finally got the means to produce trophies for the masses.

    How far back does the taking of trophies and displaying them go?

    Well.......I know of a few cavemen who displayed their kills on their walls. They just didn't have the luxury of modern techniques.......oh wait....the Egyptians tried.

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