Good morning Juli. Can you give us a bit of base info on your dog that you were doing the lining drills with? How old? Collar conditioned? Force fetched? How advanced is he in doing blind work?
For everybody, Juli and I have not talked about these items specifically, but I did ask if I could quiz her about training. I do not want to put her on the spot, or have this interpreted as finding fault. I am sure she has some good answers that might shed some light on more advanced training.
In Richie's thread you described a lining drill in which you added obstacles. You said, "....If he had trouble then I repeated from that location until he was jumping over the obstacle and lining the blind ..(or moved up, if it took more than 2 times of handling him over the obstacle)...."
Why did you choose to repeat the drill from the same spot when a failure had occurred? It sounds as if there were times you had more than 2 failures you moved forward, but I am wondering why you re-ran the drill from the same spot? Did you correct him? If so, how?
On day two, you said the following occurred; "...I moved back to about halfway and repeated..He needed to be cast as I anticipated..but on the subsequent send he lined each one,..."
If you were anticipating a failure, why did choose to go to that point and run the blind? What was your goal? When the dog failed, what was your reaction?
Is there anything else you can tell us that I missed? If you were trying to teach a new handler what you did right or wrong, what would you tell them? If you gave yourself a grade from A to F, how did you do. Not the dog, just you.
As an aside:
When I work with dogs there are 3 things I do, or try to do. I'll list them with a percentage of what I try to do to get to the end.
Teach- 80%- I show the dog what I want. We break down concepts to the most basic levels, and build on each one. The goal is to not correct the dog, though corrections may be necessary.
Train- 15%- The concept has been taught, the dog knows it, or we sure think the dog knows it. We run the dog on anything from large aspects of the concept to the whole thing. Most often the training is done on the same area we have been teaching. We plan to correct. If/when the dog fails, we correct the dog to enforce the previous teaching.
Test- 5%- Testing is running the whole concept cold. We want to see if the training "stuck". Does the dog get it? Will the dog complete the task as trained? If not, where does the failure occur? The test might be run on a concept in a new training area, one that the dog has not seen before.
Percentages are just a visual on what I feel the focus for a trainer should be. If you get into training too much, too early, you will find that corrections are happening too often.
Working with dogs takes a constant evaluation of what has happened, how it happened, the successes, and the failures. A trainer needs to be quick witted, fast on their feet, and able to adapt to changing inputs from the dog.
As for Juli, I am not insinuating she did something wrong. I am only asking questions for clarification.