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    Here's an article about "THE MOST" accurate factory rifles, 2007 & 2008.

    http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos...d-2008?photo=0
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    I think the story is just about the most accurate rifles which they tested in those two years. Not necissarily "THE MOST" accurate factory rifles.

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    I think it might be the "most accurate rifles tested" of manufacturers who advertised in their magazine.

    The M70 in particular-- 1.5"? Come on! there are a lot of factory guns that will beat that by a mile. Admittedly 1.5" is PLENTY accurate for a hunting rig but to bill it as one of "the most accurate rifles tested" is kind of a stretch IMHO...

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    Hodgeman you are right. It is difficult to find a publication that will say anything bad about a company that advertises with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boliep View Post
    Hodgeman you are right. It is difficult to find a publication that will say anything bad about a company that advertises with them.
    I think a much more insightful article would be "the 10 least accurate rifles"...

    Much more telling in my opinion.

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    Magazines editors are primarily concerned with selling more magazines and increasing advertising revenue. If readers remember this, magazines are then enjoyable and occasionally informative. Articles like this one that report on the most accurate rifles tested have ZERO scientific value and should be dismissed outright as a marketing ploy. They report the results of only one rifle. While I've forgotten a great deal from college statistics, I do remember that one is not a sufficient sampling size to glean any helpful information. I suspect that the sampling size would need to be at least 10-15 (possibly many more) of each rifle tested to develop a correct understanding of the manufacturer's accuracy and quality. A test like this has much too small a sampling size, too few controls, and ever shifting variables all of which are detrimental in establishing conclusions. This is something of a farce in so much as it tries to provide helpful information for the consumer.

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    based on those pics, I would sell everyone of those rifles if they shot like that (except the weatherby).

    5 shots. theres the test.

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    Ditto 1Cor. Another point is these rifles are provided by the manufacturer, read 'hand picked'. I'm amazed that some don't shoot better than they did in the test.

    I've grown to almost detest most hunting rags for their worthless, outdated, overly opinionated propaganda paid for by the manufacturer of the month. We dumbhead knuckle dragging leadslingers are often enlightened by features on mini-weather stations, calibers that shoot flat to 300 yards then start rising, the best 15X80 binos to have on a African Big 5 bow safari and why we need Austrian crystal along on a pack-in elk hunt. Phooey.
    It doesn't matter what you miss them with.

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    Weatherby rifles are very accurate, no bull,no kidding just a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KClark View Post
    Ditto 1Cor. Another point is these rifles are provided by the manufacturer, read 'hand picked'. I'm amazed that some don't shoot better than they did in the test.

    I've grown to almost detest most hunting rags for their worthless, outdated, overly opinionated propaganda paid for by the manufacturer of the month. We dumbhead knuckle dragging leadslingers are often enlightened by features on mini-weather stations, calibers that shoot flat to 300 yards then start rising, the best 15X80 binos to have on a African Big 5 bow safari and why we need Austrian crystal along on a pack-in elk hunt. Phooey.
    Well Said!!!!!

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    I have come to call those types of publications Porn. Glossy pages of guns that will never look like that when you actually buy one, are talked up as though they preform things you never knew were possible or are so gussied up and decked out with so much jewelry, that I know I couldn't even afford to rent them for an hour.

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    That was a pathetic article. I stopped reading Field & Stream, Outdoor Life, and the rest many many years ago. I mean c'mon... As you page through and see the all the ads and then flip the page to read some writers "obective" review of a sponsers product... cut me a break.

    There were a few rifles in that line up that should have been there, but there were a few missing too.... like my pride and joy Senderos The top three rifles on that list should have been Sendero (or varmint equivilent) Savages and Sub MOA Vanguards... probably in that order.

    Anyway... I dont need no stinking magazine article to tell me which is the most accurate rifle... I already know

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    I recall many guns and equipment bearing the "Alaskan" word a lil too much now a days too.

    Also......if a gun writer wants to impress me......he'll go to a gun store and BUY three or four rifles to make comparisons with......not a hand picked jewel that happened to group sub moa with many loads.......right out of the manufacturer's "gun magazine rack"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaRifleman View Post
    That was a pathetic article. I stopped reading Field & Stream, Outdoor Life, and the rest many many years ago. I mean c'mon... As you page through and see the all the ads and then flip the page to read some writers "obective" review of a sponsers product... cut me a break.

    There were a few rifles in that line up that should have been there, but there were a few missing too.... like my pride and joy Senderos The top three rifles on that list should have been Sendero (or varmint equivilent) Savages and Sub MOA Vanguards... probably in that order.

    Anyway... I dont need no stinking magazine article to tell me which is the most accurate rifle... I already know
    Nice post, I actually agree with you on this one.

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    You could certainly add the Tikka which would outshoot most on the list.

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    Anyway... I dont need no stinking magazine article to tell me which is the most accurate rifle... I already know
    Yeah, the failure to include Blaser on there sure is telling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildalaska View Post
    Yeah, the failure to include Blaser on there sure is telling
    I would say that rifles like Blaser, HS Precision, Cooper, etc are in a different class, although Coopers are fairly close in price to some of the higher end Remingtons. I dont think I saw any rifles that retail for more than $1000 on the list and maybe that's why the Senderos and Sakos didn't make it? I was also surprised not to see a Tikka or Howa. Actually, I wasn't surprised considering the "big picture".

    Any credible accuracy comparison would be done by a nuetral party and would include a random sample of more than one rifle of each type and would include a variety of ammuntion types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaRifleman View Post
    I was also surprised not to see a Tikka or Howa.

    I think you did see a Howa on the list. Aren't Weatherby Vanguards rebadged Howas?

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    I believe most forum members failed to read the HEADER of this ARTICLE.
    IT SAID the most accurate guns of 2007-2008. IT didn't say the most accurate rifles ever made. Senderos and Blazer have been around for more than 1 year. SO has reading !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by evandailey View Post
    I think you did see a Howa on the list. Aren't Weatherby Vanguards rebadged Howas?
    Yeah they are, but not as Howa's, and they have different stocks and I'm not sure about the barrels.

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