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    Default 98 Mauser work

    Is thier a good smith out thier that can do metal work on a 98 mauser. this is what I want done install a model 70 safety, grind the charging hump off the action and weld a new bolt on. Of course qaulity work wood be great... I know thier is Stan Jackson, I seen some of his work (mainly muzzle breaks) so would something like this be right up his alley??? Then after this is all done I need to find someone that has 338-284 reamer I have ordered a McGowen barrel and it looks like I will need to ship it out of state to a smith in Oregon who has the reamers. Also is thier anyone in the state of Alaska that does bluing work ie blues a gun and none of the cold blue crap, you know they have bluing tanks... Or is this another ship it out of state as well deal... Also does anyone do qaulity stock work we are talking minimal work here bascially fit barreld action to stock and glass bed... I would do the finish work myself... thanks...

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    The first question we would ask is what kind of Mauser 98?

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    a brno VZ24

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    Quote Originally Posted by 323 View Post
    a brno VZ24
    Taking off the hump (correctly) is $200. Welding a new bolt handle on is $150. Matte blue is $220. The Model 70 Saftey will run you with parts about $300

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    Give Steve a call at Alaska Custom Firearms, 349-GUNS. Ive been happy with the work he has done for me, and heard he is doing bluing now.

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    Default Do it yourself or ...

    Unless you can do the work yourself it is much cheaper to just buy a commerical mauser action with the work already done.

    You also need to get the trigger guard fixed etc. and put in a trigger.

    Back when Mauser were cheap and I was in school with very limited funds I found one could do a lot with a file and hacksaw. I bought a set of used bolt forging blocks and altered quite a few bolts in a friend's father's garage. In the end I think we actually had a low more fun and pride in what we put together ourselfs on a shoestring.

    Remember also that the finished product will also be easier to sell and bring more money if built on a nice commerical mauser action. Otherwise it is just another converted military mauser.
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    Oh come on TV, nothing wrong with a properly converted military action.

    IMO a good VZ action is worth a lot more than a commercial action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blink View Post
    Oh come on TV, nothing wrong with a properly converted military action.

    IMO a good VZ action is worth a lot more than a commercial action.

    Depends on how well the work is done to sporterize it

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    Default Mianly economics

    Didn't say there was anything wrong with a properly converted military action - some of my favorite guns are sporterized military rifles. I've built a lot of them over the years myself.

    My point was that unless you do the work yourself- and in my opinion that is a big part of the enjoyment building a rifle - it just doesn't pay any more to start out with a military action unless you can get one cheap that has a lot of the work done on it already.

    There are a lot rifles out there built on FN and Husquvarna actions that can be had for $250 - $350 and torn down for the actions. Even if you toss the stock and barrel - many times they can be sold - you are way ahead dollar wise over buying a military action and pouring a lot lot of money in it. Unless you pay a lot to have it welded up you still have the thumb cutout that hardly makes for smooth bolt operation. And then there is the trigger guard thing.

    VZ actions are well made out some fine steel but not sure why you think that action is lot better than the 1951 FN commerical action I picked up the other day for $230. Please explain if you will!

    What I've never really understoood why so many multi-thousand dollars are built on military actions when commerical models are avalaible. For instance why build a $2500 rifle on a 1917 Enfield action when you start with a Remington Model 30 or 30S?

    One exception I will admit to in military rifle actions are the VZ33 and G33/40 actions. These small ring lightweight actions stand out as real exceptions.


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    Oh come on TV, nothing wrong with a properly converted military action.

    IMO a good VZ action is worth a lot more than a commercial action.
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    Here's a 1909 Argentine done for me by Ed Lapour. Ed is now making the Wisner three position safeties. I would strongly advise that you contact him if you are serious about Mauser work. I would post more pics, but am having trouble with my photo host at the moment. This barrelled action is also on Ed's website.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tvfinak View Post
    Didn't say there was anything wrong with a properly converted military action - some of my favorite guns are sporterized military rifles. I've built a lot of them over the years myself.

    My point was that unless you do the work yourself- and in my opinion that is a big part of the enjoyment building a rifle - it just doesn't pay any more to start out with a military action unless you can get one cheap that has a lot of the work done on it already.

    There are a lot rifles out there built on FN and Husquvarna actions that can be had for $250 - $350 and torn down for the actions. Even if you toss the stock and barrel - many times they can be sold - you are way ahead dollar wise over buying a military action and pouring a lot lot of money in it. Unless you pay a lot to have it welded up you still have the thumb cutout that hardly makes for smooth bolt operation. And then there is the trigger guard thing.

    VZ actions are well made out some fine steel but not sure why you think that action is lot better than the 1951 FN commerical action I picked up the other day for $230. Please explain if you will!

    What I've never really understoood why so many multi-thousand dollars are built on military actions when commerical models are avalaible. For instance why build a $2500 rifle on a 1917 Enfield action when you start with a Remington Model 30 or 30S?

    One exception I will admit to in military rifle actions are the VZ33 and G33/40 actions. These small ring lightweight actions stand out as real exceptions.
    tvfinak:
    Your POINT is well taken.

    But, I just happen to like the thumb cut-out, and also the slots for the stripper clips. It makes it obvious that your rifle was from a military action.

    They do cause the scope bases to be further apart, but that can be overcome.

    I'm more interested in, if you changed the cartridge for the "sporterized military rifles" you did yourself, and how you addressed any feeding problems.

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    I'm curious as to why everyone goes to so much trouble "converting" a perfectly fine action to begin with. Install the barrel, install a good aperture sight and go.
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    Chisana- That is a beautiful action. Ive always heard Ed Lapour's work was top-notch, looks to be that way. What are you going to chamber it in?

    I agree with tvinak, its tuff to beat an FN comercial. The FN "Supreme" mausers feel like a dream and are very strong.

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    TV, easy buddy.

    I said there was nothing wrong with a properly worked military action and I added my preferance for a VZ over a commercial.

    I didnt say that commercials were junk or not worth it.

    I was just giving my opinion like what you are doing. Last I checked that was legal.

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    I have had excellent work done by IT&D gunsmithing he does a lot of Mauser work great prices, and quality of work. Based on 5 rifles he has done for me & others.

    http://itdcustomgun.com/

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    Default Just curious

    I wan't upset in the least- I save my flustration for the current crop of crooks and socialists in DC.

    I was just curious why you thought a VZ24 was worth more that a good 98 commerical action. If you do really like the thumb cut and the clip guide that much I guess that explains that. It still may be cheaper to do a thumb cutout on a commercial action and add the clip guide that to buy and convert a military action.

    Of course if you scope the gun neither the clip guide or the thumb cutout matter much anyway.


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    TV, easy buddy.

    I said there was nothing wrong with a properly worked military action and I added my preferance for a VZ over a commercial.

    I didnt say that commercials were junk or not worth it.

    I was just giving my opinion like what you are doing. Last I checked that was legal.
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    It is cheaper to work with a commercial, I'll give ya that but there is something about the VZ that I like. Whether its the history or the looks ( I do like the cutout on a rifle, useless for customs, but it adds that touch IMO). Although nowadays, its getting harder and harder to find a clean VZ or one that hasnt been bubbatized.

    Right now I'm building a 375 taylor on a VZ. I recently found a H&H bottom metal so I am starting to rethink my project.

    I have a mark X in 300winny that I dont use that much so I might rebarrel (I already have a threaded bbl in the taylor) the mark X and build a lott or something on the VZ.

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    I'm not saying anythiong wrong with Fn Commercial muasers but their are alot of folks who would chuck that action into the river and a take beautifull DWM 1909 over that anyday... Same goes for 1908 Brazilian too, take it over the FN... I have a custom built rifle built up on a pristine 98 obendorf action... I would take that over the commercial FN... I also a 98/22 mauer, VZ 24 as well... I also have a factory cougar voerre built in Austria on a mauser action and it is chambered in the 308 norma mag... I also have a interarms MK X as well. I just enjoy taking a old 98 mauser and turning it into something nice and fun to shoot also I'm a big wildcat nut as well and most of my guns are chambered for oddballs which is what this one is going to be chambered for a 338-284. I have 1909 DWM that will be put together shortly after my return and it is chambered for the 7mm Gibbs. You talk of the P-17 I have a beautiful 1917 a remington one no less chambered for a 348-06 ackley improved... I do have a 358 Norma mag built up on a commercial mauser...

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    Default Voerre?

    How do you like the Voerre? Is it a tang safety 98? Thanks.

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    Default Persoanl taste

    There is certainly no setting aside the personal likes and dislikes of an individual. I'm partial to '03 Springfileds over 98 mausers for a number of reasons including that it was the first sporter rifle I owned. Fortuately I've still got it along with the Weavr K4 I put on it. This was some time around '63 as I recall as I was under 18 and had to have my mother buy it for me.

    I've got an unchambered Shilen .416 barrel threaded for a 98 I need to put on something. I've also got an early MK X mauser barreled action in .300 Win Mag so I may use that action. Of course I really don't need a .416 Taylor since I bought the .405 / 7MM Win Mag but what the heck - I need some more winter projects!

    Speaking of bottom metal for a 98 - have you ever used an '03 trigger guard? I picked up a guard that had been converted for a 98 and it looks quite nice. Except for not being hinged the '03 milled guard was probably the nicest looking guard ever put on any military rifle.

    Don't know what guards you have on your MK Xs but mine have rather nice hinged assemblies that are well fitted and finished. I really couldn't ask for a lot more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blink View Post
    It is cheaper to work with a commercial, I'll give ya that but there is something about the VZ that I like. Whether its the history or the looks ( I do like the cutout on a rifle, useless for customs, but it adds that touch IMO). Although nowadays, its getting harder and harder to find a clean VZ or one that hasnt been bubbatized.

    Right now I'm building a 375 taylor on a VZ. I recently found a H&H bottom metal so I am starting to rethink my project.

    I have a mark X in 300winny that I dont use that much so I might rebarrel (I already have a threaded bbl in the taylor) the mark X and build a lott or something on the VZ.
    Living the urban lifestyle so I can pay my way and for my family's needs, and support my country. And you?
    ".. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK

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