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    Was just doing a some reading on my favorite cartridge of all time and was wondering if anyone knows what the BR stands for on the 9.1x64BR? Also what exactly were the distinct differences between the european and american rifle models besides the stock configuration. Were there any differences in the rifle action design that should be noted? Thanks in advance.

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    I think you might mean the 9.3x64 Brenneke. Here is a link to an article discussing the different 9.3mm cousins.

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    From my reading earlier today I read that the 358 Norma Magnum was also called at one time the 9.1x64BR. Interesting nomenclature to say the least. Pretty cool huh? Also the differences I was inquiring about were in regards to the Husqvarna action that was used when it was first introduced to the European market then later to the American market. Thanks

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    In many cases the letters after the numbers on MM shells if for the rim used. A double rifle would use a case with a bigger rim than the same shell in a bolt action.On American shells I've seen its bench rest

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    Thanks Amigo Will, Just happened to come across this list of Husqvana action models from another forum that I found to be interesting reading. Decided to share it with forum members here on the Shooting forum.

    Husqvarna basically used only four different Mauser-type actions.
    The Swedish Mauser model 94
    Used from 1927 to 1949
    After WW2 it was called model 38, it also lost the thumb cut-out.
    The German Mauser model 98
    Used from 1937 to 1956
    Made by FN in Belgium in two types, the main difference is that the new type doesn't have the
    thumb cut-out and that the bolt handle is swept slightly back.
    Husqvarna model 1640
    Husqvarna was not comfortable with the fact that they were depending on one of there
    competitors. So they developed an action that in some ways resembles the German Mauser
    model 98. It uses a long Mauser 98 type extractor and mechanical ejector but got a sliding safety
    catch. It was released in 1953 and discontinued in 1967.
    Husqvarna model 1900
    In 1967 Husqvarna released a new action. It uses short modern extractor and ejector. It got a
    small extra guiding-lug on the lower locking-lug. The cocking-piece got a new shape and looks
    like the one on the present Carl Gustaf 2000 rifles.
    Since 1950 Husqvarna have mainly used cold hammer-forged barrels.
    A very crude and simplified list of Husqvarna rifle models:
    Model 46
    Swedish m/94 action
    Approximately 25000 made
    Caliber 9,3x57 9,3x62 6,5x55
    Model 146, 246
    FN made M98 action (old type)
    Approximately 12000 made
    Caliber 9,3x57 9,3x62
    Model 646, 648, 649
    FN made M98 action (old and new type), and Swedish m/38 action
    Approximately 64000 made
    Caliber 6,5x55 8x57JS 9,3x62
    220Swift 270Win 30-06
    Model 1000, 1100, 2104F
    FN made M98 action (new type)
    Caliber 220Swift 270Win 30-06
    Model 1640, 1740, 2100, 1600
    Husqvarna 1640 action
    Caliber 270Win 6,5x55 30-06 8x57JS 9,3x62
    Model 6000, 3000, 7000
    Husqvarna 1640 action
    Caliber 7mmRemM 308Win 270Win 30-06 243Win 9,3x62
    Model 1651
    Husqvarna 1640 action
    Caliber 358NM
    Model 1970
    Husqvarna 1900 action
    Caliber 22-250 243Win 6,5x55 270Win 7mmRemM 300WinM 308Win 30-06 9,3x62 222Rem
    Husqvarna's rifle production was sold to FFV Carl Gustaf in 1970, and the production of the
    model 1900 continued in Eskilstuna until the end of the seventies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GD Yankee View Post
    I think you might mean the 9.3x64 Brenneke. Here is a link to an article discussing the different 9.3mm cousins.
    Don't see the weblink. please repost, thankyou.

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    Was doing a lil more research on the Husqvarna Model 1651 with 1640 action and I was fortunate to come across this website which I am providing a link too. The title is: List of All Official Civilian Husqvarna Firearm Models 1870-1977.

    http://www.skydevaaben.com/allhvamodels/info.xml

    From what little I know this seems to be a very comprehensive list of the firearms Husqvarna manufactured.

    IMHO firearms history is so interesting and more younger hunters should be told about the history, even about the firearms that their family owns or used to own back in the day. Makes for good listening around a campfire out in hunting camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo Will View Post
    In many cases the letters after the numbers on MM shells if for the rim used. A double rifle would use a case with a bigger rim than the same shell in a bolt action.On American shells I've seen its bench rest
    Looking at the cartridge description that was provided on the Wikipedia website again I now see the connection to the 9.1 (bullet diameter) x 64mm (case length) BR (case type).

    Case type: Belted rimless, bottleneck Bullet diameter:.359 (9.12) Neck diameter:.388 (9.45) Shoulder diameter:.490 (12.45) Base diameter:.513 in (13.03 mm) Rim diameter:.531 in (13.5 mm) Case length: 2.520 (64.0) Overall length: 3.346 (85) Primer type: Large rifle magnum

    Learn something new everyday, pretty cool.

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    Oops, sorry about that. The link didn't make it. I'll try again. Cool about the 358 Norma designation.

    http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazin...=1379&magid=95

    and here is another:

    http://www.riflehunter.net/9-3x64technical.html

    All cool stuff. While I probably don't need anything more than a 223, a 30-06, and a 300WM, all the English and European metric calibers are very cool. I found some 7.5 Swiss brass at the range one day. Looks like a very modern cartridge. Mostly straight walls with a sharp shoulder. Do you have a gun in the 9.1 caliber or just see it somewhere?

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    GD Yankee,
    Yep, I do have a few .358s (9.1 bullet diameter) rifles. Thanks for posting the weblinks to the articles, good reading on the 9.3s

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