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Thread: Ode to the Grumman Goose...who flies 'em?

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    Default Ode to the Grumman Goose...who flies 'em?

    1,800 lbs of capacity with a load space more like a Connex. If your rule of thumb for estimating float trip weight is in the 300-400#/person range for 4 folks, then it's Beavers and Gooses (occasionally Otters maybe) to consider for one flight out/back.

    After reading about these planes ...
    1. http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...ad.php?t=25450
    2. http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...560#post538560

    ...found this clip, which shows another handy feature about the Grumman Goose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&h...eature=related

    Which bush charter services fly this plane besides:
    1. Freshwater Adventures/Dillingham?

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    Default Eager to hear myself..

    Freshwater is the only one I have heard of. I will be interested to follow this thread. Another interesting one Dwight
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    PenAir uses them out of Dutch Harbor mainly for the Akutan run.

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    Default Which Goose?

    FYI post to the thread:

    Hx of some Gooses (Geese?) around Kodiak:
    http://www.wdaguy.com/index.html

    I tried to look up the tail number of the Goose in the YouTube clip, but couldn't make it out clearly. Freshwater Adventures plane, N7F is here:
    http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...&cmndfind.y=18

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    Default Another view of the Freshwater Goose....

    This was from '08 on the Togiak.

    I'll see if I have any pics from last summer when we flew on it....

    And I'll be sure to get some new pics next month, as we have two trips booked with it then.....

    Sure is a grand old gal....


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    Default PenAir has at least one...

    http://www.penair.com/fleet.html

    1. Freshwater Adventures
    2. PenAir

    but don't appear to be many, at least based on these links:
    http://www.geocities.com/alaskangoose/LinksPage.html

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    Default N789

    N7F: Alaska Freshwater Adventures

    N789
    An orange-black Goose flies out of Lake Hood, but owned by Ak Aviation Heritage Museum, prob not available for air taxi service. N789 visible on wing (http://www.alaskaphotopilot.com/gall...54226883_4LBUc). FAA website info (http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...&cmndfind.y=15)

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    I spent a summer working out of a Widgeon...what a great airplane
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    Awesome plane, and it sure moves along compared to most of the other bush planes!

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    I thought Pen Air was going to stop flying their goose.

    I took a couple of flights on their goose in the late '90's just to fly on a Goose.
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    Default N159f...

    Don't know about PenAir - just what's on their website.

    In Dillingham, noted Freshwater is (also?) flying N159F - http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...&cmndfind.y=16. Not sure if N7F is still in their fleet.

    Freshwater Adventures, so far, appears the only air charter available to floaters and hunters with 1,900# of gear.

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    It looks like spam drug this thread back up, but I'll add that it appears there may be a revival of the Goose http://www.antillesseaplanes.com/ The PT6 isn't the same as the old R985's, but interesting to see how this will work out. I imagine the price will keep it out of the hands of most small operations.

    I believe my father probably logged a few hours in the Goose at the museum when the FWS operated it during the territorial days....Louis
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    Default 5,500 pounds of useful load capacity? Wow.

    I suppose the weight of the crew and maybe avionics would be subtracted from the 5,500 total? From one of the links: http://www.gooseseaplanes.com/news.htm:

    The Goose has a generously proportioned interior with additional storage areas in both the nose and the tail. The aircraft is powered by twin Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A turboprop engines that produce a cruise speed of over 200 knots (approximately 230 miles per hour), a useful load in excess of 5,500 pounds, and a range of over 1,200 nautical miles (six hours plus instrument flight reserves).


    And manufactured in Gibsonville, NC no less.
    Thanks for posting this.

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    I missed the flight in the goose last week but took a ride in a widgeon instead.

    I'd never been in a Widgeon before. Cool little flying boat. (twin 245's).
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    Talking OK, Widgeons are a lot like Geese...

    AK Doug also mentioned the Widgeon. I ran across this thread (http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...ad.php?t=77672), which mentioned Steve Harvey. Harvey's Flying Service flies a Grumman Widgeon, N17481.

    Though the Widgeon lacks the warehouse load capacity of the Goose, functionally, it appears to do anything a Goose will do, in a smaller way, with capacity similar to the DeHavilland Beaver.

    Specs from the website (http://www.harveyflyingservice.com/):

    Our Grumman Widgeon is a rugged, dependable, 5 passenger, twin-engine amphibious airplane... Little brother to the Grumman Goose... the Widgeon is at home landing and taking off on both land and water... In 1953 the stock Ranger engines were removed and replaced with 270 horsepower Lycoming models. These larger engines enable the Widgeon to haul up to 5 passengers and/or freight to an 1100 pound total at a cruising speed of 140 miles per hour... In 1977 we purchased this Widgeon from its owner in Michigan and brought it to Kodiak where we have been flying it commercially ever since.

    So far:
    Goose, N7F Freshwater Adventures, Dillingham
    Goose, N159f
    Freshwater Adventures, Dillingham
    Goose, N??? PenAir/Dutch Harbor
    Goose, N??? Alaska Aviation Heritage Museum, Anchorage
    Widgeon, N17481 Harvey's Flying Service, Kodiak


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    Default The Granddaddy of them all---

    Nobody has mentioned the largest of this series; the Grumman Albatross. It's a stunning aircraft in terms of size and capacity. Terry Smith, former Alaska Airlines chief pilot for the state of Alaska, has one here in Anchorage. HERE'S A LINK to some great pics of the aircraft...

    HERE'S AN ARTICLE about it in the Peninsula Clarion, and finally a video of the same aircraft taking off from a lodge in western Alaska.



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    Thanks 6XLeech for starting this thread, it brought back lot of old memories. Worked for Bob Hall back in the mid 70's and every chance I got I'd hop on a Goose to Old Harbor or Larsen Bay or Karluk or a Widgeon to the Afognak Logging Camp or ...... That picture with the goose flying across and Near Island in the background is exactly what it looked like, from where I lived. Of course back then, there wasn't a small boat harbor on Near Island cause there wasn't a bridge there yet. If I remember correctly the bridge forced Kodiak Western or whatever it was called at that time to move from downtown to the airport. Haven't been back to Kodiak since around 80'. The hangars were at Lilly Lake/Pond...just about every evening the planes would fly back there, rinse-off in the freshwater and start all over the next day. Some of the best all around pilots, too. Unfortunately, a couple of those good pilots may have been just a little too bold. Kodiak does have some nasty-ass weather, though. One of the dispatchers would always say: "Kodiak isn't at the end of the world.....but you could see it from here!".

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    Default N116AG, historical perspective on Grummans...and weight

    The History: Albatross had quite a history with the military (http://www.warbirdalley.com/hu16.htm). And this particular Albatross, has quite the crew too. Thank you, Mike for the clip and article about N116AG, which Tim Smith apparently bought from the aircraft storage facility at Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson and has invested in restoring.

    Imagine this plane in commercial service. Holy Cow! Five thousand pounds cargo capacity. That's about your full party with gear and meat, isn't it? And an 1,800 mile cruising range?...could be an overnight flight. This thread started in the interest of finding larger capacity planes for bush trips (http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...560#post538560), but the historical aspects coming out are fascinating. Thanks kachemakjack for adding your personal experience with this special plane.

    The Weight: In the previous thread, several AOD/OSA Yoda/ninja-types commented on being gear weight-smart. Mike Strahan added valuable comments about best packing methods. In a way one might say, you're getting serious about your bush charter trip when you buy your own scales (or some alternate plan) to weigh all of your gear. Gear over an aircraft's capacity must...must be left behind. Ultimately, as a newbie, I found the planning was much of the real work and education of the trip. Bottom line for that thread:

    1. Piper Super Cub: small fuel capacity and one charter limits gear to 50#, but for non-floaters, can land on very little space like ridge tops.
    2. Maule: approx 400#
    3. Cessna 185: 700#
    4. Cessna 206: usually 800#
    5. DeHavilland DHC-2 Beaver: 1,200#
    6. Grumman G21 Goose: approx 2,000#?: others might know better.

    The Albatross isn't flying commercially though. Short of a turbo Otter, we seem still limited to 2,000lbs, which maybe is the practical size to get enough return-on-investment. Perhaps as Goeaux commented on another thread, one day (it would take some legal process to allow) we might be using MI-8's. But this thread is about the Grumman types. Amazing planes.

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    Default And then there's the An-2

    Somebody mentioned the Russian helicopters... of course that's not going to happen any time soon. But how about that Russian An-2? Somebody brought a couple to Alaska that I saw a while back. Too bad nobody's figured out how to get them certified commercial in Alaska; it would beat the pants off a Beaver in capacity and performance, I'm told.

    Tons of 'em around if you look in the right places. I was in Kiev one year and we saw them at an airfield, parked wingtip to wingtip almost as far as you could see! I later read that they were built there. There were literally hundreds of them parked.



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    Dayum.....I'm trying to picture one of those things on floats Mike....And I must say the image I have is awesome!
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