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    Cool Freezer burnt Salmon and meat

    I would like to help support a friends Iditarod sled dog team by getting all of last years or older salmon or other meats you have in your freezer, I can make an appointment to pick it up from your house or where you work during the day or you can drop it by my office.
    This is a great use of your old freezer burnt meat and will be greatly appreciated, I will tell you which team it is going to so you can have a favorite team to root for and know that you had a part in their success.

    I took a few hundred pounds out this weekend and they were very pleased with the people willing to give so much to them, we can still use more so please check your frezzer before you go dipping this month.

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    Is it legal to do this with personal use fish or sport caught fish? I am not sure, but make sure you check with Fish and Game before you do this to make sure you are not doing anything illegal. It is a good cause, and I hope you are able to help the dogsled teams. Just make sure everything is on the up and up.

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    It is legal with personal use fish. PU fish can be used for food, bait, dogs...most anything along those lines. Sport caught fish can only be used for human consumption, with the exception of the head, tail, and viscera. At least, that's my understanding.

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    Question in agreement

    Yes that is how I read it also, (pause) However the Alaska Zoo also accepts old fish etc. (I know that does not make it right) It is also against the law to waste the meat by throwing it away when it is old. (letting meat go bad in your freezer is another debate please lets have that on another thread) last night I picked up fish, caribou and moose meat with packages dated as far back as 1994, yes 15 years old, that happens mostly with people who are given the meat as a gift and alot of older folks will let it just stay around forever. so who has a better idea? the easy answer is people should consume it before it is not edible for human consumption but the reality is they don't allways do that.
    So the letter of the law? or the intent of the law?
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    I've never done before but we are going to keep our limits of pink salmon this weekend to take to the Anchorage zoo. They will take all fish you don't want, including freezer burned fish from the year before that you are looking to get rid of. The animals apparently don't seem to mind.
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    Default the law vs. the practice

    Quote Originally Posted by cubecove View Post
    Is it legal to do this with personal use fish or sport caught fish? I am not sure, but make sure you check with Fish and Game before you do this to make sure you are not doing anything illegal. It is a good cause, and I hope you are able to help the dogsled teams. Just make sure everything is on the up and up.

    CubeCove
    I believe the letter of the law is that it is illegal to waste it (which certainly includes badly freezer burnt and might include consumption by non-humans), and it is also illegal to give any to anyone not in your immediate household.

    I believe the custom and common practice is to responsibly (fill in your own definition for that; we all do) use all fish gathered, never ever sell any of dipnet fish for any reason whatsoever, and if a mistake is made that somehow renders a fish in the freezer inedible by humans, to feed that fish to whatever animal will benefit and try to keep less dipnet fish next year.

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    Tried dropping some freezer burned fish to the Zoo today.... they don't take burned fish anymore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by y0gee View Post
    Tried dropping some freezer burned fish to the Zoo today.... they don't take burned fish anymore!
    I know a dog musher who will take it. Send me a PM if you still have it and are looking to unload it.

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    I had emailed Alan Cain, about this a few months ago and in short here are his replies......




    To start, here is the actual wording of the applicable law:
    5 AAC 92.210. Game as animal food or bait
    A person may not use game as food for a dog or furbearer, or as bait, except for the following:
    (1) the hide, skin, viscera, head, or bones of game legally taken or killed by a motorized vehicle, after salvage as required under 5 AAC 92.220;
    (2) parts of legally taken animals that are not required to be salvaged as edible meat, if the parts are moved from the kill site;
    (3) the skinned carcass of a bear, furbearer, or fur animal, after salvage as required under 5 AAC 92.220;
    (4) small game; however, the breast meat of small game birds may not be used as animal food or bait;
    (5) unclassified game;
    (6) deleterious exotic wildlife;
    (7) game that died of natural causes, if the game is not moved from the location where it was found; for purposes of this paragraph, "natural causes" does not include death caused by a human;
    (8) game furnished by the state, as authorized by a permit under 5 AAC 92.040.

    So, you are right, as you can see, there is no circumstance where game meat taken under a state hunting license can be fed to dogs as food. Not fresh, not frozen, not rotted, not ever.

    Your second question appears to be if someone can throw away game meat after it has been frozen. Unfortunately, the answer is yes. The law requires that a person “salvage for human consumption the edible meat of a big game animal or wild fowl.” The term “salvage,” as it pertains to your question is defined in 5AAC 92.990 (49) as:

    to transport the edible meat of a game animal or wild fowl to the location where the edible meat will be consumed by humans or processed for human consumption in order to save or prevent the edible meat from waste.

    So, the meat must be transported to the place of consumption or processed (frozen, canned, dried, etc.) for human consumption. The Board of Game did not command that persons actually eat all the meat, just that they transport it or process it and that it must be intended for human consumption. So a person could not be prosecuted for throwing out their game meat if it indeed spoiled. This would be a sad waste and not a use intended by the Board of Game, but could probably not be prosecuted.

    So these are the official answers to your questions. Please let me know if you need further information.

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    Never surprises me the knowledge that you have D. Keep it up, (wink); Rich
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    Thumbs up Good info

    I have changed a posting to say Meat instead of game meat, I get lots of meat that was purchased at Costco in bulk and was burnt before it could be consumed.
    Thanks for all the support the dog team is looking great.
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    Default can you say over kill

    If you are taking freezer burned fish anywhere maybe you should reconsider how much to keep next year instead of wasting it!! With talk of closing fishing because there aren't enough fish this sort of waste is really inexcusable!

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    I can't agree with you more, I havn't had a piece of my fish or caribou go bad unless the packaging failed in many years, my family eats game meat no less than 4 times a week, the only meat we buy is chicken and a turkey for Thanksgiving, however the sad truth is that there is a lot of freezer meat that gets forgotten or is given to someone who doesn't use it or just plain people take more than they can use and what I'm doing is providing a use for it rather than sending it to the dump.
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    Smile Freezer burnt food

    I would like to help support a friends Iditarod sled dog team by getting all of last years or older food, fish or other meats you have in your freezer, I can make an appointment to pick it up from your house or where you work during the day or you can drop it by my office.
    This is a great use of your old freezer burnt meat and will be greatly appreciated, I will tell you which team it is going to so you can have a favorite team to root for and know that you had a part in their success.

    I took a lot out last year and they were very pleased with the people willing to give so much to them, his dogs did great in the Iditarod and that was in large part from the great diet they had. We can still use more so please check your freezer before you go dipping this month.

    Thank You

    Jim 727-4893 Anchorage

    or email me at gymer99@hotmail.com
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    Thank you for all the meat the last few weeks and we can still use more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bljames View Post
    If you are taking freezer burned fish anywhere maybe you should reconsider how much to keep next year instead of wasting it!! With talk of closing fishing because there aren't enough fish this sort of waste is really inexcusable!
    I agree bljames. You should have your dipnetting privileges revoked for getting greedy and wasting the states resource by taking more than you can eat. Mushers need to make the mutts eat dog food and quit looking for handouts and welfare so they can farm dogs. Let em eat egg stripped humpys from the hatchery. Gimme a break.

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    Jeez guys, come on and knock it off. You do nothing but diminish yourselves when you stoop to this level. I don't think any of us are advocating wastage of anything in our freezers, be it fish, game, from the garden, or store bought. I do agree absolutely with you that we should not waste our resources and take more than we can use, but I don't get the idea this is what is going on here. As an ex-musher I resent being painted with a broad brush just as much as anyone else in any other race, religion, creed, sport, or whatever. In any group of human beings you are always going to find the good, the bad, and the ugly, but I can assure you all mushers aren't looking for handouts, on welfare, or just have mutts. I have no idea who the musher is that this guy is collecting for, they could be a deadbeat or one of the most down to earth, hardworking, contributing citizens in the area, and you are absolutely wrong to be casting dispersions on any one group just because of your jaded views and possible bad experiences with a few. If any of you wish to discuss this further, bring it on in a PM (Private Message) to me and I believe I can open your eyes just a wee bit, but lets not waste the time of this Forum with drivle and innuendo.

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    Default Please, stop wasting our resource’s !

    W_T_F_!!!!
    This angers me and many others I know as well. I hear people talking while dipnetting here at the Kasilof this year 2010 saying they don’t know what they are going to with last years old fish when they get home with the new. Come on people! How ignorant can you be? Please don’t take our fish if you are not going to eat it! I never ever, ever throw away any fish or game. We always eat what we take. Stop eating McD’s garbage and get off your rear-end and cook your dang fish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian M View Post
    It is legal with personal use fish. PU fish can be used for food, bait, dogs...most anything along those lines. Sport caught fish can only be used for human consumption, with the exception of the head, tail, and viscera. At least, that's my understanding.
    It might be legal but it doesn't make it right. Its also legal for a minor to have an abortion w/o her parents consent. Should I list more controversial inflammatory unethical laws?
    11.99 lb meat to the dogs When theres Americans that can't afford to feed their kids dog food? I'll be revisiting this thread next time the personal use fanatics are screaming bloody murder at the BOF because the commercial fisherman get an extra 12 hour opener to legitimately feed humans.

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