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    Dogs in trucks.
    A friend of mine recently lost her dog from the back of her truck. It was one of those moments she will always regret. They were going for a run in the park, just a quick trip. He was in the truck bed one moment gone the next. Stunned they turned the truck around to find him lying in a snow bank with injuries so extensive that the vet sent them to the shelter to have him euthanized. They could have been fined but the shelter realized how devastated they were they waved the fine. Now they have a new dog and a crate to transport him safely. A crate is such an easy solution. Everyday you see dogs in the back of open pickup trucks. Maybe itís the last lawless frontier so donít wear your seatbelt but protect your best friends by putting them in the cab or in a crate.
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    I remember when they created the law many years ago after some horrible "accidents". The APD did a not of inforcement at the time, but based on what I see around town now they don't.

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    Several years ago my wife was driving down the road with her Chessie up front in the cab and the dog jumped out of the window. The dog hit pretty hard on her head and did a flip that broke her tail. Other than the broken tail she was just a little sore. Pays to have a hard head.
    My wife took both our chessies to Sam's shopping in her Envoy. When she got back to her car the rear side window was laying on the ground broken. Both dogs where OK and still inside the vehicle. A person saw two kids walk up and pounded on the window of the Envoy. My dogs took it as if they where being attacked and jump at the kids knocking the window out of the vehicle.
    Several years back I stopped in KMart to pick up a few items. I had my dog BO who was a Chessie with me. I was driving the escort so instead of leaving her up front I decide to put her in the trunk. I was in the store about 10 minutes and when I came out my dog was sitting outside the front door of Kmart and to kids where petting her. That was the last time that I put a dog in the trunk of my car.

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    People with loose dogs in the back of a truck really tick me off. Total ignorance. Put them in the cab or kennel 'em.
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    I guess you don't know how to train your dogs then. You start when they are young. It is all about how much time you invest. Oh yeah, positive reinforcement doesn't work. Remember it is a dog and treat it as such. If you aren't the master then they are. I have always been able to leave my tailgate down and the dogs know they better never leave that truck bed unless called. Oh yeah, it took some invested time and discipline, but I guess if you want to have an disobedient dog then carry a kennel and leash everywhere you go. If not instill a little fear in the dog... remember it is the animal kingdom and someone has to be alpha.

    Oh yeah I love my dogs in the bed of my truck and think that is a freedom I should have.

    I do strongly agree that is really sucks if someones dog jumps out. Now the owner is to blame and should be held accountable.

    Lawless frontier... Where do you live??? We got so many laws we are catching up to California.

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    Wow, I never thought of that but I'm glad you tested it for us. I guess if the dog could figure out how to get out kids can too? Shoot, I guess I'll have to take them into the store with me.
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    Wow six, I'm sitting here thinking I'm really glad you aren't the majority at this point.


    I can guarantee you that no amount of obedience will save your dogs life when someone rear ends you, throwing your (beloved, I use that word lightly in THIS case) animal from the truck. Or you happen to be on the highway, get cut off and thrown into the ditch. I sure hope you are able to call your dog back from its quick and painless death.

    Good grief.



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    I guess you don't know how to train your dogs then. You start when they are young. It is all about how much time you invest. Oh yeah, positive reinforcement doesn't work. Remember it is a dog and treat it as such. If you aren't the master then they are. I have always been able to leave my tailgate down and the dogs know they better never leave that truck bed unless called. Oh yeah, it took some invested time and discipline, but I guess if you want to have an disobedient dog then carry a kennel and leash everywhere you go. If not instill a little fear in the dog... remember it is the animal kingdom and someone has to be alpha.

    Oh yeah I love my dogs in the bed of my truck and think that is a freedom I should have.

    I do strongly agree that is really sucks if someones dog jumps out. Now the owner is to blame and should be held accountable.

    Lawless frontier... Where do you live??? We got so many laws we are catching up to California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntress View Post
    Wow six, I'm sitting here thinking I'm really glad you aren't the majority at this point.


    I can guarantee you that no amount of obedience will save your dogs life when someone rear ends you, throwing your (beloved, I use that word lightly in THIS case) animal from the truck. Or you happen to be on the highway, get cut off and thrown into the ditch. I sure hope you are able to call your dog back from its quick and painless death.

    Good grief.
    I was hoping someone would say something.

    I am no longer even a fan of having a dog tied up in the back of a truck. I saw 2 killed in the last 10 years.

    Dogs don't have opposing thumbs and cannot grip/hold on during hard braking, stopping or turning. If you love your animals, you care for them and keep them safe.

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    I am by no means advocating any particular behavior, rather i am presenting a slightly critical viewpoint.

    I love my dog. You may suggest otherwise afterwords... but i do. Im also 100% certain he loves me back. He rides in the back. Yes. In the open pickup bed. To be quite honest i don't see how a crate is going to improve his safety. I guess if the crate is bolted down in the back of the truck it might be safer. In the cases you mentioned.. I honestly don't think my dog would be any safer inside a crate. The cab is not an option. He's a dog, I love him, but he does not ride in the cab. For that matter i don't see how being in the cab is a whole lot safer either.
    This aught to really fire you up.. if Im going under 30mph on a dirt road.. I let him surf on the toolbox. He rides that thing like a proffessional cowpoke and looks like a drunken sailor the whole time.
    He knows that when he's in the bed. He is not allowed out of it until I tell him. I don't have to tie him up. (and I didn't beat him either). He bailed out once.. one time. I made him run behind the truck all the way to our destination and back. He got smart and realized the truck was faster, way more fun, and that if he left without my permission.. he wasn't getting back in. He doesn't get in without my permission, he doesn't leave it without my permission. Accidents happen; I drive as safe as I can with him back there; but we all know that I can't stop an accident from happening.

    Six may have had somewhat of a harsh tone to his post but Im going to agree with his general premise. Having your dog in the cab or in a crate in MY OPINION won't so significantly increase his or her safety in the case of vehical vs vehical or vehical vs terrain accidents that I find it necessary. Now.. If you can't control your dog, or you have a stubborn dog; where jumping out is common, or your dog won't stay in the bed.. then crate them. Keep them safe.
    But as for me and mine. I trust him, he respects me. He is wicked smart and totally in tune with me and I feel I should have the freedom to allow him to ride free in the bed of my truck.

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    Great post, icb & six. My dog rides in back, leashed; no dogs in the cab. To each his own.


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    Default The Law

    This post peaked my interest again and I went looking for the rules. I know that the City has a pretty wide interpritation of control (see page 2), this is spelled out in the actual law. I do know that they consider e-collars control as well, but that is not in the law.

    So if the dog is in a public place it has to be in your control: Voice, Leash, Box, etc. So things are looking good so far in this group of well trained truck bed surfers as they drive down the public streets.

    Oh Noes! What is this?

    In Chapter 8.55.010 Cruelty to Animals (almost at the end), Section A, paragraph 5 it is says

    "Prohibited acts. It is unlawful for any person, with criminal negligence, to:
    5. Have an animal within, on or attached to a motor vehicle under conditions that may endanger the health, safety or welfare of the animal, including but not limited to insufficient control or extreme temperature.

    a. A peace officer is authorized to remove an animal from a motor vehicle at any location when the officer reasonably believes there is a violation of this section."

    So you may have "control" of your unleashed or uncrated dog in the open bed of your truck, but it is up to the officer to make the call about you having "sufficient" control. Now think about the thousands of posts on the intertubes about the "reasonablness" of peace officers in today's society, and keep an extra $75 in your wallet to pay the ticket.

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    Good. Then we will let the law sort out my judgement. Its not for you or anyone else over the internet to tell me that I am treating my dog in an unsafe manner. As far as Im concerned you could have your spastic barking frenzied dog in the cab and drive like a moron and be far more unsafe and risking the welfare of your dog than I am driving responsibly with my well behaved dog in the bed.

    I've yet to find an officer of the law so lax in judgement as to hand me a ticket for my dogs safety. My parents neighbor is a state trooper.. he doesn't have a problem with the way Riley and I do business.

    So.. Ill risk the ticket.

    All Im saying is every dog is different. I HAVE seen dogs that i would absolutely 100% NOT allow to be free in the bed of a truck. I attribute that fault to the owner and not the dog.. But in that case I feel the dog should be crated. But that should be the owners judgement.

    Quote Originally Posted by AK Ray View Post
    This post peaked my interest again and I went looking for the rules. I know that the City has a pretty wide interpritation of control (see page 2), this is spelled out in the actual law. I do know that they consider e-collars control as well, but that is not in the law.

    So if the dog is in a public place it has to be in your control: Voice, Leash, Box, etc. So things are looking good so far in this group of well trained truck bed surfers as they drive down the public streets.

    Oh Noes! What is this?

    In Chapter 8.55.010 Cruelty to Animals (almost at the end), Section A, paragraph 5 it is says

    "Prohibited acts. It is unlawful for any person, with criminal negligence, to:
    5. Have an animal within, on or attached to a motor vehicle under conditions that may endanger the health, safety or welfare of the animal, including but not limited to insufficient control or extreme temperature.
    a. A peace officer is authorized to remove an animal from a motor vehicle at any location when the officer reasonably believes there is a violation of this section."
    So you may have "control" of your unleashed or uncrated dog in the open bed of your truck, but it is up to the officer to make the call about you having "sufficient" control. Now think about the thousands of posts on the intertubes about the "reasonablness" of peace officers in today's society, and keep an extra $75 in your wallet to pay the ticket.

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    Exclamation Title 9 - Vehicles & Traffic / Enforceable by APD

    What most people don't know, including APD Officers, is this

    Anchorage Municipal Code (AMC) 9.36.150 Carrying animals on outside of vehicle.
    No person driving a motor vehicle shall transport any animal in the back of the vehicle in a space intended for any load on the vehicle on a street unless the space is enclosed or has side and tail walls to a height of at least 46 inches extending vertically from the floor, or the animal is cross tethered to the vehicle, or is protected by a secured container or cage, in a manner which will prevent the animal from being thrown, falling or jumping from the vehicle.

    This is punishable from $50 to $1,000 per incident per AMC 1.45.B

    You can call APD with the license plate. Notify Animal Control to, but they don't have the power to pull a vehicle over. Also Animal Control doesn't have the autority to enforce the Animal Cruelty laws under Title 8, they have to forward their cases to APD for final issuance. APD now has a Detective (Det. Jackie Conn) which is specializing in Animal Cases along with her regular duties. Animal Control relies on public testimony to include video/photos for incidents which they do not witness themselves. As a prior Animal Control Officer I have gone to the local Vets on numerous occasions for dogs flying out of the beds of trucks especially in traffic circles and even minor fender/benders. I have even seen one case where a dog was leashed to the top of a Jeep Cherokee and began running red lights when the Animal Control Officer asked him to pull to the side of the road.

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    Exclamation Unsafe

    So would you let an infant sit in your truck without a carseat? Would you let your 10 year old ride in the car without a seatbelt on? I doubt it. Why is the safety of your dog any different? Your dog cannot make the decision for himself to get in and buckle up, so it is your responibility to ensure his safety. So when your dog is riding in the back of your truck and you get in a minor fender/bender and now FIDO is either seriously injured or killed because he is thrown from the vehicle all because you think your dog is well behaved in the back of the truck. There is a time/place for everything and the busy streets of Anchorage aren't the place for a dog to be riding unsecured in the back of a vehicle. When you get to that remote dirt road where the risks are low and idiot drivers are few, let FIDO be a dog. Until then be a responsible pet owner and not a statistic!

    Quote Originally Posted by icb12 View Post
    Good. Then we will let the law sort out my judgement. Its not for you or anyone else over the internet to tell me that I am treating my dog in an unsafe manner. As far as Im concerned you could have your spastic barking frenzied dog in the cab and drive like a moron and be far more unsafe and risking the welfare of your dog than I am driving responsibly with my well behaved dog in the bed.

    I've yet to find an officer of the law so lax in judgement as to hand me a ticket for my dogs safety. My parents neighbor is a state trooper.. he doesn't have a problem with the way Riley and I do business.

    So.. Ill risk the ticket.

    All Im saying is every dog is different. I HAVE seen dogs that i would absolutely 100% NOT allow to be free in the bed of a truck. I attribute that fault to the owner and not the dog.. But in that case I feel the dog should be crated. But that should be the owners judgement.

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    Oh yeah I love my dogs in the bed of my truck and think that is a freedom I should have.

    I do strongly agree that is really sucks if someones dog jumps out. Now the owner is to blame and should be held accountable.

    QUOTE]

    So let me get this straight. It is the owners responsibity if the dog jumps out and should be held accountable but at the same time the dog in the bed of your truck is a freedom you should have. Do you think you are not responsible when he is thrown from the vehicle instead of jumping by his own free will? So putting your dog in a dangerous situation he has no control of is a freedom? Your dog will not think you love him less if you secure him in a manner which he cannot be thrown from your vehicle. I think you should go volunteer some time at PET ER. Ask them if you can be there when they do their emergency operations or euthanasia's. You'll especially love the part where the family is upset that their family dog now requires thousands of dollars to be saved but they can't afford it so they have to opt for euthanasia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak_sierra View Post
    So would you let an infant sit in your truck without a carseat? Would you let your 10 year old ride in the car without a seatbelt on? I doubt it. Why is the safety of your dog any different? Your dog cannot make the decision for himself to get in and buckle up, so it is your responibility to ensure his safety. So when your dog is riding in the back of your truck and you get in a minor fender/bender and now FIDO is either seriously injured or killed because he is thrown from the vehicle all because you think your dog is well behaved in the back of the truck. There is a time/place for everything and the busy streets of Anchorage aren't the place for a dog to be riding unsecured in the back of a vehicle. When you get to that remote dirt road where the risks are low and idiot drivers are few, let FIDO be a dog. Until then be a responsible pet owner and not a statistic!
    #1 An infant is NOT a dog. My dog IS an integral part of my family. I love him and would do anything if I felt it was in his best interest. All that does not change the fact that HE IS A DOG.
    #2 Im not so sure that my dog isn't in fact smart enough to make that decision for himself. If he could talk he'd probably tell me to take that crate and shove it up my ass.
    #3 I don't THINK my dog is well behaved back there.. I KNOW he is well behaved back there.
    #4 Read my first post again. Yes there is a time and place for everything. That said; its going to have to be a pretty big fender bender to throw a 70 pound dog out of the back of a superduty. If the fender bender is that big. . chances are the crate woulda flown out anyway.. Then you're in the same position only your dog is in a cage flying through the air. Unless.. as i said in my original post.. you bolt the kennel to the bed. Which I am not doing.
    #5 I think I am a responsible pet owner. I trained my dog well. He behaves very well. He respects me I trust him. I don't drive like an idiot everywhere.
    Call the boys in blue on me. Heck I'll make it easy, if you want I'll send you my plate number, you can have them issue a special warning out there for me. Big Blue Ford Superduty with loose dog in back. Caution Dog is not tied down, not crated and in imminent danger.

    Quote Originally Posted by ak_sierra View Post
    So let me get this straight. It is the owners responsibity if the dog jumps out and should be held accountable but at the same time the dog in the bed of your truck is a freedom you should have. Do you think you are not responsible when he is thrown from the vehicle instead of jumping by his own free will? So putting your dog in a dangerous situation he has no control of is a freedom? Your dog will not think you love him less if you secure him in a manner which he cannot be thrown from your vehicle. I think you should go volunteer some time at PET ER. Ask them if you can be there when they do their emergency operations or euthanasia's. You'll especially love the part where the family is upset that their family dog now requires thousands of dollars to be saved but they can't afford it so they have to opt for euthanasia.
    To throw this back on you.... If your infant falls into your pool and nearly drowns then that is your fault. Yet i am not advocating that there be laws in place regulating that you need a 46" fence all the way around your pool or that your child be cross tethered to an immovable object at all times. How you raise your child is your business. Your judgement.
    Chances are you put up the fence.. yes? How bout when your child is older, more experienced, knows the dangers of the pool?? Lets say he was "trained" or raised right.. You probably take the fence down.. sure you supervise.. but you are still placing your child in a dangerous situation. Your responsibility. Yes. I suppose if you suck at child rearing or you have a really wild child on your hands.. you leave the fence up.
    Do you see what i am getting at??? Granted.. as i said.. infant is not a dog.

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    What happens if someone parks next to your truck with your dog in the back and as they walk by, or to get inside of their vehicle, the dog bites them? Where is the liability?

    They are not entering or bothering you property and the dog bites them out of a perceived threat. After all, they are dogs and can be very unpredictable.

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    Wink infant is not a dog...

    Correct, one is a human and one is an animal. However both are living beings which are taken care of by responsible parties who make the decisions for them because they are not capable of making those decisions on their own. If it was up to your dog to make decisions he'd be sniffing your ass or rolling in something dead rather than doing what he should, the same as your infant will get into things they shouldn't when not supervised. The dog has no choice if you put him in the back of the truck as the infant has no choice if you put him in a car seat. There's more to being a responsible owner than just training. I'm not trying to say you're irresposible, I'm just saying that sometimes we become complacent and don't see the big picture when we've been doing the same thing over/over. Then when something happens that we could have prevented, it's too late to go back! If you regard your family pet as "it's just a dog", then there's no reason for me to go any farther! I wish you the best and hope your dog is never injured due to your lack of reality.

    As far as it taking a pretty hard fender/bender to throw your 70lb dog out of a Superduty. Do some googling on low speed crashes with all vehicles regardless of size. 5mph to 0 instantly will throw a 250lb man out of a truck!


    Quote Originally Posted by icb12 View Post
    #1 An infant is NOT a dog. My dog IS an integral part of my family. I love him and would do anything if I felt it was in his best interest. All that does not change the fact that HE IS A DOG.
    #2 Im not so sure that my dog isn't in fact smart enough to make that decision for himself. If he could talk he'd probably tell me to take that crate and shove it up my ass.
    #3 I don't THINK my dog is well behaved back there.. I KNOW he is well behaved back there.
    #4 Read my first post again. Yes there is a time and place for everything. That said; its going to have to be a pretty big fender bender to throw a 70 pound dog out of the back of a superduty. If the fender bender is that big. . chances are the crate woulda flown out anyway.. Then you're in the same position only your dog is in a cage flying through the air. Unless.. as i said in my original post.. you bolt the kennel to the bed. Which I am not doing.
    #5 I think I am a responsible pet owner. I trained my dog well. He behaves very well. He respects me I trust him. I don't drive like an idiot everywhere.
    Call the boys in blue on me. Heck I'll make it easy, if you want I'll send you my plate number, you can have them issue a special warning out there for me. Big Blue Ford Superduty with loose dog in back. Caution Dog is not tied down, not crated and in imminent danger.



    To throw this back on you.... If your infant falls into your pool and nearly drowns then that is your fault. Yet i am not advocating that there be laws in place regulating that you need a 46" fence all the way around your pool or that your child be cross tethered to an immovable object at all times. How you raise your child is your business. Your judgement.
    Chances are you put up the fence.. yes? How bout when your child is older, more experienced, knows the dangers of the pool?? Lets say he was "trained" or raised right.. You probably take the fence down.. sure you supervise.. but you are still placing your child in a dangerous situation. Your responsibility. Yes. I suppose if you suck at child rearing or you have a really wild child on your hands.. you leave the fence up.
    Do you see what i am getting at??? Granted.. as i said.. infant is not a dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icb12 View Post

    Call the boys in blue on me. Heck I'll make it easy, if you want I'll send you my plate number, you can have them issue a special warning out there for me. Big Blue Ford Superduty with loose dog in back. Caution Dog is not tied down, not crated and in imminent danger.
    Go ahead an PM that info to me if you wish and I'll be glad to let the appropriate people know. I'll leave that decision up to you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtrdog1 View Post
    What happens if someone parks next to your truck with your dog in the back and as they walk by, or to get inside of their vehicle, the dog bites them? Where is the liability?

    They are not entering or bothering you property and the dog bites them out of a perceived threat. After all, they are dogs and can be very unpredictable.
    The liability falls on the owner unless it can be proven that the dog was provoked.

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