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    If the 30-30 (according to some nimrods) is adequate for moose, etc, which I'm not going to argue one way or the other, then isn't most of our big game calibers unnecessarily over powered for most of our hunting? IF, the the 30-30 is, then it appears that all our quest for the almighty beast slayer, is for our own egos and entertainment purposes? I'm depressed to find out that a lifetime of experimenting, researching, shooting and laying out the cash was just for my own personal self gratification...when I could have simplified everything by sticking to my first rifle...a Win 94, 30-30. Oh well!
    If you like getting kicked by a mule...then you'll "love" shooting my .458.

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    Talking Whats your definition of adequate?

    I imagine a .22LR shot with accurate bullet placement into a moose's ear or eye would be adequate also. So with this view point why burden yourself with any larger caliber than that? 30-30's should be saved for larger game.

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    "Who Cares"......If people want to yap about how big their gun is, and it makes them happy, fine. If people want to yap about how small their gun is, and it makes them happy, so be it.
    At the end of the day people was either yapping or they was "Boots in the FIELD". If you'll excuse me, my snowshoes, and the dog are both quivering with anticipation of an exhilarating hike along the Turnagain Arm. But which gun should I take. "Who CARES"......???

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    Hopeak,

    I've only read two of your posts, both very derisive and negative. I know a little about Hope and a number of the people who live there and you'd fit right in. If you don't like people and want to knock whatever is said, then why say anything. I'm known as a bit of a curmudgeon here, but you win.
    Anyways, Alaska has big animals and there IS a difference between what would be adequate, meaning minimal but acceptable, and then there are cartridges that have a margin of power so that a less then perfect shot may still be effective, enough to get another round in and might be a stopper as well as a killing round in case something that could do you in needs to be stopped right now.
    A neighbor of mine when I homesteaded north of the head of Kachemak Bay shot a 9 foot Brownie in his homestead yard because it was casing his chicken cage. He shot it 4 times in the boiler room, had to trail it a bit and put 3 more rounds in before it expired, the last one at the base of the skull. A heavier round might have made it a quicker process.

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    Hopeak,

    I've only read two of your posts, both very derisive and negative. I know a little about Hope and a number of the people who live there and you'd fit right in. If you don't like people and want to knock whatever is said, then why say anything. I'm known as a bit of a curmudgeon here, but you win.
    Anyways, Alaska has big animals and there IS a difference between what would be adequate, meaning minimal but acceptable, and then there are cartridges that have a margin of power so that a less then perfect shot may still be effective, enough to get another round in and might be a stopper as well as a killing round in case something that could do you in needs to be stopped right now.
    A neighbor of mine when I homesteaded north of the head of Kachemak Bay shot a 9 foot Brownie in his homestead yard because it was casing his chicken cage. He shot it 4 times in the boiler room, had to trail it a bit and put 3 more rounds in before it expired, the last one at the base of the skull. A heavier round might have made it a quicker process.


    Big Gun Or Little Gun, What I want to get across is your either talking about it, which is fine. Or your in the field doing it.

    For your information I have built 19 Rifles "ALL" were .458 Winchester Magnums. I was a Professional Hunter for 34 Years, and the .458 Winchester Magnum was my Brown Fuzzy cartridge of choice. If you think the .458 Win Mag. is a mouse gun, I don't care. I have been either the direct cause or contributer to the death of about roughly 190 to 200 Alaska Bears. I know something about bears. MY POINT IS: If you like big bore guns fine, If you like small bore guns fine. But what impresses the puppy poop out of me is people who are OUTDOORS doing something.

    Why do you'all care so passionately about the cartridge.......? Why don't you care passionately about the wilderness and being outdoors. My neighbor a 36 year old female mountain runner, she does not even own a firearm, and she runs 10 miles per day average, year around, all over this Bear infested wilderness.

    People spend most of there time obsessed about having the the perfect firearm, the perfect bullet, the perfect tent, boots, Knife, etc., etc. and the balance of their time defending their choice. What matters is "Boots in The FIELD" the rest is cartridge'masturbation. And for todays 5 mile hike I took the the S&W M-60 3" .357 Mag. with 200 gr hard cast Cor-Bon.

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    When the 30win came out it was the cats butt,perfect and better than most rounds out there. Does it still work,yes but there are better rounds out there for many types of hunting. In Alaska I would prefer to carry a 458 for everything than a 30/30 but in Texas the 30/30 would be a better choice.

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    Hopeak,

    Where do you get off thinking I don't care about the wilderness. I homesteaded for years, as I said and it was the best life I ever lived. The only part guns played were gathering food and defense if needed. Some days I'd hike or snowshoe just to be doing it.I love Alaska, the bush, not the cities, but am stuck in Anchorage for another year or so. Man, you are not on a spruce pedestal alone. Your attitude sucks. This holier then thou crap doesn't float with me.
    Yeah, I love guns and cartridges and everything related. If that's a problem, tough. Oh, yeah, $70,000 an acre? Sounds like a real deal for somebody who doesn't like the long green.

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    Hopeak,

    Where do you get off thinking I don't care about the wilderness. I homesteaded for years, as I said and it was the best life I ever lived. The only part guns played were gathering food and defense if needed. Some days I'd hike or snowshoe just to be doing it.I love Alaska, the bush, not the cities, but am stuck in Anchorage for another year or so. Man, you are not on a spruce pedestal alone. Your attitude sucks. This holier then thou crap doesn't float with me.
    Yeah, I love guns and cartridges and everything related. If that's a problem, tough. Oh, yeah, $70,000 an acre? Sounds like a real deal for somebody who doesn't like the long green.
    Mauserboy, Sorry your upset, I was expounding my feelings in general, and they were not meant toward you, but in general theory of what matters in life. Sounds like we are both old Homesteaders, I wish you well.

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    And with the right bullet the .30-30 can serve as well as any other! Polar bears are still being taken, and please listen to the ones that use it daily in the Alaskan bush. I suggest reading posts by strangerinastrangeland and similar.
    My choice would be the Nosler Partition 170gr for everything.
    Use what you like, but I'm not a nimrod just because I like lever rifles, and happen to feel the 30WCF is an excellent cartridge. Not perfect but excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maydog View Post
    If the 30-30 (according to some nimrods) is adequate for moose, etc, which I'm not going to argue one way or the other, then isn't most of our big game calibers unnecessarily over powered for most of our hunting? IF, the the 30-30 is, then it appears that all our quest for the almighty beast slayer, is for our own egos and entertainment purposes? I'm depressed to find out that a lifetime of experimenting, researching, shooting and laying out the cash was just for my own personal self gratification...when I could have simplified everything by sticking to my first rifle...a Win 94, 30-30. Oh well!
    Ahhh, Maydog:

    You have once again demonstrated your tremendous powers of deduction.

    Yes, to a large degree, we have ALL been squandering our time, studies, and other resources on our own egos.

    Use what you will, for whatever reason suits you, BUT, the "Awesome Power of the 30-30" is NOT to be taken lightly.

    It is to be revered, always. Man,,,, I've got TWO, of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maydog View Post
    If the 30-30 (according to some nimrods)
    Quote Originally Posted by Maydog View Post
    whooo there sparky!...... “nimrod”? seems a tad harsh to me……especially since I am one of those “nimrods” that know for a fact that the 30-30 is adequate for moose within reasonable ranges, but that’s ok, I is a big boy and can take it as well as I can dish it! is adequate for moose, etc, which I'm not going to argue one way or the other, Well now smart guy…. I figure that an inflammatory asinine statement like yours is indeed an argument!, or at least your attempt at starting one, and I am only happy enough to argue with you! then isn't most of our big game calibers unnecessarily over powered for most of our hunting? You asked….. so YES they are in my humble and experienced opinion. IF, the the 30-30 is, then it appears that all our quest for the almighty beast slayer, is for our own egos and entertainment purposes? I would guess that in your case, ego and entertainment are indeed the primary considerations in choosing a cartridge. I'm depressed to find out that a lifetime of experimenting, researching, shooting and laying out the cash was just for my own personal self gratification...when I could have simplified everything by sticking to my first rifle...a Win 94, 30-30. Oh well!
    now don’t be depressed little fella…… the world needs ditch diggers too! We cant all be reasonable folks blessed with common sense and a basic understanding of physics and the capabilities of modern firearms. If you would have backed away from the buffet and set your beer down long enough to gain some real world experience with that old 30-30 you might have learned a thing or two.

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    Default Mike I couldnt help myself....

    Sorry Mike. I know you hate the kinds of posts like the one I just sent, but I just couldn’t let it go……

    Sensor at will…….. I will totally understand.
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    I could have been talking to myself at various other times. Not worth burning the energy, you know.

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    Getting a little persona aren't ya? As far as saying someone's a nimrod, well, it's a compliment (great hunter). This figures though...the negative attack dogs come out and there's no sense arguing with that attitude. This post was intended for a little conversation only...not gutter sniping (or would that be ditch sniping?).
    If you like getting kicked by a mule...then you'll "love" shooting my .458.

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    "Ohwell" is right.
    If you could sucessfully hunt with a 30-30, then you should know that everything else is just 'more" than is nessarry.

    The 30-30 IS a great gun.
    It was properly used back when it was new, and it killed animals efficently then as it will now.
    Ive dropped a Muskox with a borrowed 30-30 (I lost my ammo)one shot. My brother gets elk with his Marlin.
    It has stopped many a Bear as well, and most old timers that hunt around here love the 30-30 and the 25-20, 25-35 and the .243 because they do the job very well.
    Marketing hype and people overcompensating power for poor marksmensship, bad stalking techniques and trying to have some sorta "Big" about them have tryed hard to make the 30-30 into some step up from a kids BB gun, but it aint.

    Put that bullet where it will do the damage, and the animal will still die.

    The 30-30 hasnt changed, and neither have the size or density of the bodys of the animals that it will kill.
    If you can't Kill it with a 30-06, you should Hide.

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    Good post, kinda what I "thought" might appear. I guess my point was similar to yours...most firearms are over powered (not a negative thing) and it seems like things get out of perspective sometimes. Striving for bigger doesn't necessarily equate to always better, depending of course, one's perception. I have actually stepped back a notch or two by going to a Win 71, .348. Some call it obsolete, but's it's as good a killer now as it was back in the dark ages...just doesn't have the jazz. As I've stated before, almost any cartridge is adequate, DEPENDING upon the nimrod's skill. And if the person is a bonafied nimrod, then the skill part goes without saying, right?
    If you like getting kicked by a mule...then you'll "love" shooting my .458.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maydog View Post
    If the 30-30 (according to some nimrods) is adequate for moose, etc, which I'm not going to argue one way or the other, then isn't most of our big game calibers unnecessarily over powered for most of our hunting? IF, the the 30-30 is, then it appears that all our quest for the almighty beast slayer, is for our own egos and entertainment purposes? I'm depressed to find out that a lifetime of experimenting, researching, shooting and laying out the cash was just for my own personal self gratification...when I could have simplified everything by sticking to my first rifle...a Win 94, 30-30. Oh well!

    What exactly would make someone a "nimrod" for shooting moose with a 30-30? I don't know what your background is, I don't know where you grew up, or what your financial situation is, but where I grew up there wasnt a lot of money to be earned. Many of my family members simply couldnt afford expensive rifles. Many of my family members toted a 30-30 because you could pic one up for 100-200 dollars. They shot black bear, big bodied deer, and yes.....even moose. Many trappers and natives that live in the bush shoot a 30-30 for the same reasons. One of my favorite pictures was of my grandfather with a large bull moose hanging in a big maple tree with a 30-30 by his side (1960). The first moose I shot was with a 30-30, hit him twice like my father advised (shoulder,lung). As a young kid, my father could only afford a 30-30 for my first rifle. It isnt all that powerful of a cartridge, but it works. It worked back in the beginning, and it will work now. The people who live hard out in the bush and small towns know that it works too. And just out of respect and nostalgia......I will have my children shoot their first moose with a 30-30, does that make me a nimrod?

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    I love music, but I cant play any...~~LOL!!~~

    I wish I had those skills, or had started refineing them at a young age as I did shooting and hunting.

    Sucess also is a driving force.

    fact is, I'm a Rank Amature, doing as I do for the love of doing .....I couldnt be a professional, cause i never went to school for it, and I aint rich....~~LOL!!~~

    Nothing wrong with more power, all right, but most cartriges DO have enough to more than do the job at hand.....Moose included.....besides a Moose getting shot with a 30-30 hasnt heard the marketing hype about him dying faster with a different bullet through the heart, so i think he'll just die as fast..... anyway.
    If you can't Kill it with a 30-06, you should Hide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak View Post
    What exactly would make someone a "nimrod" for shooting moose with a 30-30? I will have my children shoot their first moose with a 30-30, does that make me a nimrod?
    You might want to look up "nimrod" in the dictionary...then you can answer your own question. Are you or aren't you?
    If you like getting kicked by a mule...then you'll "love" shooting my .458.

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    Maydog you taught me something new. Nimrod is defined by Websters as "hunter". In it's practical application however, in my experience, it is akin to dumb***.

    I mistook your definition for the latter, and I reckon others did as well. My apologies for that.
    You said you use the .348 so you must also like levers.

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