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    Lightbulb 14c sheep draw hunt, any info at all from people with experience?

    I drew a tag for ds139, I already attempted to gather information earlier but no one replied. You can pm if you want or what not, just looking for some solid information on where to go. I've heard Icicle creek/glacier from a few. Is the Nature Center Trail my best route in? I will be hunting September 25th through October 1st. Just looking for good starting points before I began my scouting trips this summer.

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    The Dishwater Creek/Icicle Creek drainages usually get hit pretty hard in the early seasons, as those are the two closest drainages to the Nature Center that are open to legal hunting. That being said, this year they restricted the early hunts in Eagle River to one permit per season, so the chances of those two drainages still holding rams are much better than in the past when they gave three permits per season. It would be worth a shot. Dishwater is easier to get into and hunt, Icicle is tougher terrain but has more hiding spots for the big, wary rams. You might also consider going in 12 miles and checking out the high bowls above Thunder Gorge. There is a high chance that you'll be snowed on up there, but there have been some hogs taken out of there over the years. In addition to the 12 mile hike, though, you're looking at thousands of feet of alder breaking and a brutal pack out. Enjoy!

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    Thumbs up 100%

    The info provided by Brian in the prior post is 100% accurate, and is exactly what I would have said, if he had not.

    Also...you have all summer to condition by hiking back and up into that country.
    After alder bashing for six or ten weekends it will not seem so terrible or frustrating when you do it for your hunt. You will find the game trails and safest, easiest routes if you invest the effort. Its all about "heart"....and sweat...some blood...once-in-a-lifetime committment.

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    I agree with Dennis also. Spend some weekends getting in there and bashing some alders and brush and GPS your route. It may make it a bit easier when the time comes to actually get in and hunt.

    Good Luck.
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    So the farther back I go usually the better ?? I've heard that organ mountain is good as well.

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    Organ can be good, but it's open to many more hunters before your season, as that falls within the Ship Creek/S. side of Eagle River drawing unit.

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    DS139 is sure a versatile tag.

    Organ Mountain is sensational. It is sensational for the first hour of the first hunt. And I would call it sensational after the first hour if you are a very experienced mountain climber.

    ...dare you to climb to the top!

    ...and it is on the south side of the river, directly across from Icicle Creek. Eagle River might be low enough to cross W/O a little boat by mid Sept. To scout during the summer i advise crossing the river with little yellow pool-toy boat (OR A BETTER BOAT). There is only one route up the valley toward Organ. Again, summer time scouting will find it.

    Brian, is Organ Mountain the same as Polar Bear, or just next to it?


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    Who all has first hand knowledge and has hunted/ taken sheep back there?? I was thinking about going 6 miles past icicle creek and cutting to the left and going farther back.

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    Six miles past icicle Creek...welcome to Thunder Gorge, (if left is the north side of the river) as Brian mentioned earlier.
    Randy, it is a great area. But nobody is going to tell you how to hunt it. But you will figure it out if you have the right stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaTrueAdventure View Post
    Brian, is Organ Mountain the same as Polar Bear, or just next to it?
    Organ is behind Polar Bear, which is next to Eagle Peak. All of them are pretty tough climbs. I've been up Eagle, but was out of town the day my friends did Polar Bear.

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    Brian, Good for you...for not climbing Polar Bear. I have failed to summit Polar Bear (with the Polar Bear shaped glacier/snow patch.....It is just to technical for me....but I have saw some super rams up on the top after opening day!

    But, back to the post/thread....Hopefully somebody will have more info for Randy907.

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    First off, congrats on your tag!

    If I had a DS139 permit (or any 14C permit for that matter) the first thing I'd do is buy this map, if I didn't have it already, and then I'd take a highlighter and trace the boundaries of my hunt unit on the map.

    Then I'd go to Fish & Game and get the packet that lists the 14C harvest info for the 5-year period from I think 2001 to 2006. I've never found it online. You'll notice in that packet that it lists the approximate kill site of all the harvested sheep.

    Then I'd go through the packet and find the location of every kill site on your Chugach map and mark it with an X. At first it's like a "where's Waldo?" trying to find all the place names, but I can tell you that just about every place name listed is on the Chugach map. By the time you've mapped out five years of harvest data, you'll have a pretty good idea of places that consistantly produce sheep, and maybe more importantly, areas that don't.

    I'd use information as the starting point for my summer scouting. And I would spend as much time as possible scouting. If it were me.
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    Default Wyo2AK...

    ...you should really go into the hunt planning business!

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    ....Or he can hunt any and/or all of the locations already mentioned. For the last 25 years all these areas have been big-time producers of quality sheep.
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    Thanks, but already bought maps, is Thunder Gorge hunted hard? Only 20 people drew a tag for ds139

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    No. Few people have the drive to get into the upper reaches of Thunder Gorge.

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    I hunted it in 2006 w/o success. I'm a little embarrassed to say I gave up after 5 or 6 days but after climbing those alder choked slippery hillsides and thousands of ft of elevation I convinced myself that the odds of getting within bow range of a ram wasn't worth the effort! Shame on me. I would recommend packing your camp up high and staying up high.

    The place already mentioned is where I hunted and found a dandy ram but never got within bow range. One thing I might suggest is finding some sort of cramp-on for those steep, snow covered grassy slopes! They were wicked slippery going up/down and I wasn't packing a sheep. Seriously, it would have been dangerous coming down some of those slopes that had a few inches of heavy wet snow on top of the grass. I think Wiggys Alaska had some crampons for this type of terrain?

    Good luck, scout hard, hunt hard, and don't give up!
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    crummy pics through the spotter of a real heavy ram - he got away in 2006.
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    jpost,

    That ram is a hawg for sure!!!

    The crampons that you are reffering are the Stubai 6 point crampons that are sold at Wiggy's Alaska. I bought a set for my Kodiak goat hunt.

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    Alaska Lanche,
    Yes, that ram is the real deal! I got within about 300 yards of him the following day. I found him in a nice basin munching away on, uhh, whatever sheep eat in October! The wind was swirling something fierce and before I had a chance to do anything he winded me and skidaddled. He was a dandy alright, I wouldn't doubt if he was 14" and 40" or so ?? Two hunters scared him right from underneath me the following evening and I didn't see him again. They were "skylined" on a ridge trying to make it off the Mt before dark - crap.

    So do you like those crampons?

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