I have posted a few threads in regard to the 450 Marlin and .458 Lott. I am received some good information, but stuff I basically knew already, although I appreciate it anyway. I have years of hunting experience in Colorado, Africa, and Canada. I do not have any experience in Alaska with the brown bear, and there is so much misinformed stuff, rumors, and couch potato advice going on in these posts. I am just looking for honest personal experiences, either direct experience or least as a witness to the facts. Let me tell you what I do believe and what I don't for a start:
I do believe brown bears are tenacious, tough and very powerful, making them extremely dangerous and deadly.
I do not believe that they are made of armor, or any tougher than a cape buffalo.
I do believe that the 45/70 & 450 Marlin warrants respect, and are powerful cartridges.
I do not believe that the 45/70 is better than a .458 Winchester or a 458 Lott round, as Buffalo Bore company espouses ... I think that their theory, which is based on water and newspaper penetration tests is as wet as the paper. If not the 45/70 or 450 Marlin would have displaced those legends long ago on the Dark Continent.
I do believe that a brown bear skull is tough.
I do not believe that high power rounds with good bullets will bounce off of it ... such as the story that I read here about a .454 Casull doing just that.
I do believe that bear attacks are rare statistically, as are police shootings.
I do not believe because of such statistics one should be casual or fatalistic in how you go about your business. I can tell you that if you ARE the ONE that is involved in a police shooting, or being charged by a bear ... those stats mean ZERO … ZIP!
YOU BETTER BE GOOD AND PRACTICE AS SUCH, HOPING THAT YOU NEVER NEED THOSE SKILLS, VERUS, walking through the tulips whistling Dixie! Getting dead is easy; staying alive is the trick under such dire circumstances! I was a cop for almost 30 years, and have a few memories that brought reality to such a philosophy...
That said, does anyone have experience with the lever gun calibers, 450 Marlin or 45/70 with good bullets using them on a large brownie, frontal shots, preferably a charge, or at least frontal, not calm hunting broadside shots that any 30'06 could do just as well with a properly placed shot?