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    Default Armed airline pilot program being killed off too??

    Do these guys hate firearms and those you have them..or what???

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rogram-that-l/
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    Hi Float Pilot,

    Geeezzzzz!!!! You know where I work, and isn't it a shame that I have to find out about this from a gun forum? Boy, the Administration kept this quiet....even from his Departments in the Executive Branch.

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    From what I've been reading and hearing, that's what this Obama Administration is all about. You won't here from the Messiah himself about changes in gun control but some minions in his admin will make all kinds of changes under the radar and IF it comes to light in the news, he will deny any responsibility. But since most of it won't, he will get his (or their) way. Keep posting and talking about these kinds of things and fighting for the truth.

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    No, it isnt about firearms, it is about the mentality of liberals/socialists/communists/democraps ect. YOU are The Great Unwashed, the stupid seething masses of worker droids who "need" the "helping hand" of gub'mint. YOU are simply too stupid to be allowed to make decisions for yourself, and so, only the Illuminated Ones can do so. That is all, just the mentality, it is how They think.
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    Another news link about what the Comrade Messiah is up to....

    http://news.newsmax.com/?KKI6Yce7jjB...mo_code=7C69-1
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    The Transportation Sturmabteilung has always been in opposition to the FFDO program. They had to be smacked around by Congress twice to even implement it. Then in a childish, passive-aggressive fit, they wrote regulations so onerous as to discourage pilots from even applying to the program and then dragged their feet with getting the necessary training scheduled and used it as an excuse not to certify pilots and only let a small group through at a time.

    The training issue was BS because Frontsight publicly stated they would conduct the training at no charge and Valhalla Training Center even bought an airliner fuselage to develope cockpit defense doctrine and as a training simulator.

    The monkeys at TSA know they have an ally in the White House and don't have to be convinced very hard to stop the program even though it's public law.
    Now what ?

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    Interesting information, I am very familiar with the program and have not heard about any cut backs or redirection of funding.

    FFDO's re-qualify every six months and do a more intense multi day requal every five years. In fact a new five year training facility is currently under construction in a more centralized location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitroman View Post
    No, it isnt about firearms, it is about the mentality of liberals/socialists/communists/democraps ect. YOU are The Great Unwashed, the stupid seething masses of worker droids who "need" the "helping hand" of gub'mint. YOU are simply too stupid to be allowed to make decisions for yourself, and so, only the Illuminated Ones can do so. That is all, just the mentality, it is how They think.
    100% correct! That is exactly the way they think. And anyone that does not agree with them is “stupid” so must not be listen to or they could "infect" you with their dumbness.

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    Here is a retraction of sorts from the Washington Times:


    The Washington Times
    Audrey Hudson
    03/24/2009

    Gun program for pilots set for expansion, officials insist

    Backers take exception to inaccurate editorial

    The Obama administration has no plans to end a program that trains commercial airline pilots to carry guns and thwart terrorist attacks, and in fact is seeking to expand resources for oversight and training, government officials and pilots organizations say.

    "We're looking for new resources and more money to bring in for next year. The benefits of the program are obvious. The pilots are an intrinsic part of our whole aviation-security strategy and one of our layers of security," said Robert Bray, director of the Federal Air Marshal Service, which oversees the program.

    The Federal Flight Deck Officers (FFDO) program was created after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and has since trained 12,000 pilots on how to carry weapons and defend their aircraft against an attack. Among the planned expansions, Mr. Bray said, is the construction of a new center in Dallas, where armed pilots can receive recurring training.

    Mr. Bray and the pilots groups disputed a March 17 editorial in The Washington Times entitled "Guns on a plane: Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns," which suggested that recent discussions about spending some of the program's money for supervisory jobs amounted to killing the program.

    "That is completely false," said Capt. John Prater, president of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), the largest pilots union in the U.S. and Canada, with 53,000 members.

    After the editorial appeared, Capt. Prater said, his group called a meeting with Transportation Security Administration (TSA) officials and were reassured the new administration supports the program.

    "We're not seeing anything other than cooperation, and certainly the fact that as soon as this opinion piece came out, ALPA and TSA met immediately, and from what we've determined, there is no truth to the fears that were put forth in that opinion piece," Capt. Prater said.

    The Times' editorial pages recently were brought under new management and operate separately from the newsroom. Editorial writers produce content that is not reported or over seen by newsroom employees.

    "The Editorial Department has been in transition these last few weeks. We're aware of the error and are investigating what happened so we can learn from the mistake and not repeat it," Associate Publisher Richard Amberg Jr. said.

    Homeland Security officials and pilots say that the program has proven to be an important security layer and that they are interested in making the program more efficient.

    "We look forward to working with the Obama administration to improve the management and funding of the program to make it what Congress originally intended it would be," said David Mackett, president of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance, an organization that lobbies Congress on behalf of the program.

    The editorial cited information from pilots it did not name, claiming that the approval process for letting pilots carry guns on planes has "slowed significantly" and that the "approval process has stalled out."

    Mr. Mackett said the approval process did slow last fall during the final days of the Bush administration, but it was before the election and possibly a result of dwindling funds at the end of the 2008 fiscal year.

    The editorial also said the Obama administration recently "diverted some $2 million from the pilot-training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots."

    However, pilots are supervised by the airlines, not Homeland Security, and Mr. Bray added that no funds were diverted; rather, he said, additional money is being sought to manage gun-training programs.

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