Thanks for the help so far guys, one more question if I may. We plan to rent a raft and float the Kenai the first week of Sept for trout. My question is should it be four days in the Refuge or should we plan on hitting the middle river for a day. We won't have a motor by the way. Or should we plan on floating a different river altogheter for a day. I own a Hyde and am good on the oars if that matters. Thanks again guys!