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    Spoke to a benchrest shooter the other day and he recommended IMR 4064 for a 165 grain bullet 30-06 loads and he said it is also very good for 130 grain bullets in the 270 win. I looked it up and it's listed in the manuals. Anyone have any experience with these loads? Is the powder temperature sensitive or are there any other negatives with this powder? It seems most sources say that h4350 is the best '06 powder, this guy was confident that the IMR 4064 was better.

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    IMR 4064 gained its reputation for accuracy in the 30-06 for the M1 Garand. The gas system of that rifle requires that powder be of that mid level burn rate. Only 4064, 4895, RL-15, or now days Varget or Benchmark or similar in the ball powders will safely work that action. In a bolt gun you can get better accuracy and velocity in the 30-06 with H4350 or for the 270, H4831 or RL-22 will give best performance. The best compromise, one powder for both would likely be H4350.
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    My 71 year old neighbor just inherited a mint Winchester 30-30 in the original box. The gun is older than he is and came with twenty pieces of brass in the box with the rifle. Claims to be the only rounds ever shot through this rifle.

    We loaded up some 110gr round nose Hornady's with IMR4064. He wants to shoot paper with it Sunday. Personally, I would keep it in the box, it's that nice.

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    I use 4064 in my 8mm mauser I like it alot. I'm on the slope now so i'm not sure of the load but I use a 200 gr bullet with it. Killed me a nice black bear with it last year.

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    Murphy,
    I should have listened to you when you said don't listen to clerks and others of unknown knowledge. I walked out with the 4064 after I put the H4350 BACK on the shelf. How's the 4064 for the 30-30 or 7mm SAUM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeStaten View Post
    Murphy,
    I should have listened to you when you said don't listen to clerks and others of unknown knowledge. I walked out with the 4064 after I put the H4350 BACK on the shelf. How's the 4064 for the 30-30 or 7mm SAUM?

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    Mike, 4064 is all i use for loading my 30-30. It's also one of the powders that i use for loading .308. This is my favorite powder for 30-30. There is lots of loading data for that powder.

    Good Luck.

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    4064 is a good versatile powder. It is all I use for my 30-30 and 35 Whelen. In a pinch, I wouldn't hesitate to use it for my '06 or 270, either, but I prefer IMR 4831 for both of those.

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    I used 4064 with a 140 gr. Hornady in .270 Win. for years in Idaho on 10 or 12 Mule Deer and a couple of elk. Shot great out of my Rem 700. Since you already have it you should give it a try.

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    So no one like imr 4064. I ordered a few extra lbs I like imr 4064 in my 8 mm figured someone might wnt some. just placed a 50 lbs order.

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    I have never use IMR 4064, but it seems much like IMR 4350 and H4350; one of those powders that works well for lots of cartridges. It is faster then H4350 and for the use discribed I would have gone H4350. In other uses like lighter bullets in 30-06 or 270 or smaller cases like the 308 or 30-30 or lager diameter bullets like in the 35 whelen, it seems like a very good choice.

    I would not say you made a bad choice of powder it will certently work in your use.

    For what it is worth I have come to really love H4350 in my 06 it seems to trickle into the scale nicer then IMR 4350 and seems a little less bulky.

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    I have a problem child ruger .270. Finally found a load it really likes. 130 grain hornady interlock and IMR 4064 powder

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    I have shot imr 4064 power with assorted 130 gr bullets in a 270 for years-good velocity and accuracy ! bubba jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeStaten View Post
    Murphy,
    I should have listened to you when you said don't listen to clerks and others of unknown knowledge. I walked out with the 4064 after I put the H4350 BACK on the shelf. How's the 4064 for the 30-30 or 7mm SAUM?

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    IMR 4064 is a very accurate powder for the '06 it just won't produce the highest velocity. It is fine in the 30-30 also and will work for good accuracy in the 270 wiht 130's but here again not producing the highest velocity. It would probably be at its worst in the 7MM WSM but may work for 120 grain or so bullets.

    It was the powder I used for the 168 grain Sierra match bullets in the M1 Garand rifle for many years for hi-power rifle matches. I have found H4895 to be more consistant nowadays and use it almost exclusively for M1/M1A loadings. With the 30-06 in a bolt gun, if there could only be one powder, I would want H4350. I don't loose any accuracy with it but gain about 100 fps with the 180 grain bullet. It is just too slow for the Garand gas system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    IMR 4064 gained its reputation for accuracy in the 30-06 for the M1 Garand. The gas system of that rifle requires that powder be of that mid level burn rate. Only 4064, 4895, RL-15, or now days Varget or Benchmark or similar in the ball powders will safely work that action. In a bolt gun you can get better accuracy and velocity in the 30-06 with H4350 or for the 270, H4831 or RL-22 will give best performance. The best compromise, one powder for both would likely be H4350.
    Murphy is correct: 4064 would be a good choice in a Garand, or other semi-auto, but not a bolt gun. IMR 4350 and H4831 are both pretty good, but I'm using RL22 in my '06 and 165 Noslers with outstanding results. Velocity is just over 3000, and according to the Nosler manual I'm still a grain under max. All the other powders I've tried are considerably slower, including 4064. I suspect RL22 would produce excellent results with 180gr bullets as well...

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    Mike,

    I just did some loads with 4064 and various cases and bullet weights in my .06 Rem 700. The 165 gr SGK performed the best out of all of them. When I get home I'll dig out my chrono data and post it for you.

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    For the three caliber I'll be loading for (270, 30-06 and 30-30) and three powders I have (H4350, IMR 4064 and Varget) I think I will start with H4350 in the '06 with 165 grain hornadys or nosler BT, IMR 4064 in the 270 with 130 grain hornadys and Varget in the 30-30 with 150 grain core lokts. Make sense?

    Thanks again for all of the info!

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