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    Default What does the 2nd Amend get you in AK & lower 48?

    I got into a discussion with some friends a while back and we had a difference of opinion on the legality of carrying firearms visibly (not concealed) on your person and/or in vehicle without a concealed carry permit.

    I told them I had always been taught as long as it wasn't concealed you have the right to carry a firearm in any state as long as you are 18 for long gun and 21 for pistol. Even loaded. They disagreed.

    Of course, not in buildings forbidding (school, banks, etc) such, not if you are a felon or fugitive, etc...

    They said they didn't think it was legal in all states to carry a pistol or long gun in a vehicle, even if it was visible or visible on your person in or out of vehicle.

    I thought the 2nd amendment still guaranteed us the right to carry in ANY state???? Am I wrong?

    Good grief, when I was in high school you could always find a few pickups out in the parking lot with gun racks in the back window with a rifle or two in them..... If it was warm weather the windows would be down too!!!

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    Unfortunately, your friends are correct. Each state has different laws, some more restrictive than others. Check out http://www.opencarry.org and http://www.usacarry.com

    Both are full of the current regulations of each state. Even with the 2nd Amendment, I know of of a few states where it's almost impossible to transport your firearm (Wisconsin being one). Michigan is also tough to transport in depending on where you are at in the state and what you are driving.

    I remember having my firearms in my pickup in HS as well, they were to be locked in a case contained in a locked compartment separate from the ammunition and inaccessible the the occupants of the vehicle (of any type).

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    Default Having escaped from the People's Republic of NY

    I can attest that your friend is correct. In order to even lay a hand on a handgun you need to beg permission from the local licensing officer, usually the judge but in some counties it was the Chief Law Enforcement Officer. I had my permit since 94 and Oswego County wasn't too bad then but a few years ago they changed. My sister went to apply and part of the requirements were that she had to write a paragraph detailing how she was different from the normal citizen that she required a handgun!! Massachusetts and New Jersey are just as bad.

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    Yup depends on the State. In Indiana you can carry any gun in the vehicle but it must be unloaded and visible. As for personal carry you have to have a permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blybrook View Post
    Unfortunately, your friends are correct. Each state has different laws, some more restrictive than others. Check out http://www.opencarry.org and http://www.usacarry.com

    Both are full of the current regulations of each state. Even with the 2nd Amendment, I know of of a few states where it's almost impossible to transport your firearm (Wisconsin being one). Michigan is also tough to transport in depending on where you are at in the state and what you are driving.

    I remember having my firearms in my pickup in HS as well, they were to be locked in a case contained in a locked compartment separate from the ammunition and inaccessible the the occupants of the vehicle (of any type).
    Thanks, I checked out the usacarry.com site and learned a lot. I had no idea how restrictive many states are. That site also linked to NRA, should have thought of looking there too and flex my membership muscle!

    Thankful I grew up and live in a state that has open carry.

    Looking at the different states, and seeing the ones who reciprocate on concealed carry makes concealed carry look attractive for people who travel interstate, or live close to state lines where two or more states meet.

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    thats why i dont live in the peoples republic of kalifornia... or new york $#!^^%
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    That is one reason I got the concealed carry card in Alaska. The 1968 firearms control act (or some such name) said you can transport a firearm across all state lines as long as it is not easily accessed (i.e. locked in the trunk) and have a written document from your local law enforcement saying you are an upstanding citizen with no criminal background. That is what the concealed carry card does for you. You are not suppose to stop in the states you are traveling through other than for gas and to sleep, but they can not charge you with any of their criminal laws if you follow the 68 law. Jim

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    Even though I'm a Life Member of the NRA, I have found their website somewhat confusing to get the information of the above listed sites.

    I will admit that I've gone through the training and obtained my Alaska concealed carry, which the instructor has deemed "The Good Guy Card". I know it isn't required, but I think it's a good idea to go through the training and keep it current; I know the State Troopers appreciate it when assisting with Search & Rescue operations.

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    You are right , the 2nd ammendment says your right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. However many states choose to violate this right and make laws that violate the 2nd. If you choose to carry in these states you will go to jail and cost yourself more than you can believe. And , if you wave the constitution at them and refuse to give up your gun when they come to arrest you, they will shoot you dead. You will be right , but dead right doesn't work for me. One of the many reasons I live in Alaska and refuse to even visit those states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blybrook View Post
    Unfortunately, your friends are correct. Each state has different laws, some more restrictive than others. Check out http://www.opencarry.org and http://www.usacarry.com

    Both are full of the current regulations of each state. Even with the 2nd Amendment, I know of of a few states where it's almost impossible to transport your firearm (Wisconsin being one). Michigan is also tough to transport in depending on where you are at in the state and what you are driving.

    I remember having my firearms in my pickup in HS as well, they were to be locked in a case contained in a locked compartment separate from the ammunition and inaccessible the the occupants of the vehicle (of any type).
    Excellent sites. Didn't realize OPEN CARRY was so restricted in other states. Bummer.

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    Texas is supposed to be one of the most pro-gun states in the union. We have concealed carry with a license or in your vehicle without one, but no open carry.

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    Alaska and Vermont are the only states that do not require a concealed carry permit.

    I wonder if George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had to write paragraphs for their local constables so they could possess and carry a pistol...unbelievable...

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    There are gun laws in Alaska? Huh....

    Well, just another good reason to not live in the Union of Lower 48 Socialist States!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sep View Post
    Alaska and Vermont are the only states that do not require a concealed carry permit.

    I wonder if George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had to write paragraphs for their local constables so they could possess and carry a pistol...unbelievable...
    It its quite unbelievable, just amazing what people will put up with. Ironic as it is New York was one of the few states that allowed concealed carry before the concealed carry reforms that went into effect in the 90's. Of course you had to pay and get approval to do so. I think it was 1934 the Sullivan law went into effect which created the pistol permit.

    Hard to believe that Vermont and New Hampshire (which also has pretty lax concealed carry laws) are in the same area as NY, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Jersey

    Hence why I live in Alaska now

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    Quote Originally Posted by imthenra View Post
    I can attest that your friend is correct. In order to even lay a hand on a handgun you need to beg permission from the local licensing officer, usually the judge but in some counties it was the Chief Law Enforcement Officer. I had my permit since 94 and Oswego County wasn't too bad then but a few years ago they changed. My sister went to apply and part of the requirements were that she had to write a paragraph detailing how she was different from the normal citizen that she required a handgun!! Massachusetts and New Jersey are just as bad.
    Yeah it really depends on the county that your in, when i got mine in Schuyler County (NY) it was pretty easy, just had to wait about 5 months and i was able to get my CCW. My friend who lives in Chemung County was almost denied his fathers pistols when he died, the court held them for over a year... they said they were checking o see if they were used in a crime. And in Steuben County it is so hard to get a permit that only 8 CCW's are given out a year but they do give out carry permits that allow you to hunt and have them in your house.
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    Default When my father passed away

    what a hassle it was. he had his permit since the 50's. In NY the gun is registered to the permit holder but you can cross reference them to another person with a permit. He had some of mine referenced to him and I had some of his and my mother had all of his on hers. It cost $2 per pistol per permit to get them off of mine and put solely to my mothers. We were talking about 20+ pistols so it added up quick.

    It took me about 5 months to get mine and I was with the County Sheriffs at the time. I could strap on a junk Glock ( this should cause some flames) all day long but had to beg permission so I could carry a gun on my off time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imthenra View Post

    It took me about 5 months to get mine and I was with the County Sheriffs at the time. I could strap on a junk Glock ( this should cause some flames) all day long but had to beg permission so I could carry a gun on my off time.
    Just a touch... (i love my Glocks).
    Im suprised that they didnt give you a CCW being a cop... were you able to carry off duty with just your badge?
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    Default Depends on who you talked to

    at the time if I remember correctly an officer down in Westchester roughed up somebody or something along those lines and he had his duty gun on him event though he was off duty. A lot flack come down and it was the Undersheriff said yeah it didn't matter but the sheriff facing reelection wasn't to keen on it. Before it all came to a head I had my license anyways

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    Default As far as the Glocks go,

    I just never could warm up to them. They shot fine, except if they were limp wristed (but any semi would do that), but the only feature they had was quick disassembly. I never quite could understand why part of training when we transitioned from the 38 was to field strip and reassemble while blindfolded in under a minute. Other than the familiarity with the weapon I see no practical purpose. I for one am not going to field strip my weapon when I am in the dark and have to do it so quick! These also had the NY trigger, like trying to reel in a halibut with one finger. I've shot civilian ones that the trigger was fine. Being that I like the old dinosaur 1911 I just like to razz the Glock guys, always have and until I own one will probably always will. Not to mention I shoot a lot of cast bullets and you get a lot of buildup. I dont know if they still do or not but the Glock Rep stated that the factory strongly suggested that no lead bullets be fired due to the Tennifer finish and hexagonal rifling or whatever it was.

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    Florida is a shall issue state, about a three to six week process.
    Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my gun!

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