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    Cool An article for all shooters on the recent "Ammunition Accountability" legislation:

    Greetings, folks!

    I have recently heard about some of the new “Ammunition Accountability Legislation” that is being pressed to be adopted by over 18 states around these United States of America. This legislation, which can be found in detail at such sites like http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm , is an attempt to ban the sale of unrecorded ammunition and make reloaded (a.k.a. hand-loaded) ammunition illegal. All un-coded ammunition would be illegal to own or sell after a proposed date of January 1, 2011.

    What has been failed to be mentioned in this legislation is that it virtually already existed in this country prior to the 1986 amendment of the 1968 Gun Control Act, Public Law 90-618. During the original inception of the 1968 Gun Control Act (which has been alleged by the pro-gun group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership to have been a mere rewriting of the 1938 German Weapons Law reform), all Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders who sold ammunition and firearms were required to keep a record of all sales of ammunition (and firearms) to customers (check out these sources: http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/1735/Firearm-Laws-Regulations-Ordinances-FIREARMS-OWNERS-PROTECTION-ACT-1986.html & http://stason.org/TULARC/society/pro-guns/99-APPENDIX-I-The-Biggest-Myths-of-Gun-Control-A-Look.html ). While the technology to laser-code each bullet with a distinct serial number that could be traced fairly easy was either nonexistent or in its infancy at the time, the recording of ammo sales was already in place between the years of 1968 and 1986. So, this part of the legislation has already been tested in this country for nearly twenty years. How many crimes did this part of the law help prevent? And in exactly how many court cases was this record-keeping used successfully to trace a particular bullet back to a particular homicide and a particular criminal? These questions are In another online published report by the Rand corporation (found here: http://www.rand.org/pubs/technical_reports/2008/RAND_TR512.sum.pdf ), a detailed analysis of an area that does require ammunition sales records, Los Angeles, reveals that a “whopping” 3% of ammunition purchasers logged during the time of the study were felons or other persons who were prohibited from owning firearms or ammunition. But here’s the important part where this law REALLY breaks down—it was already illegal for these people to own, purchase, sell, or acquire ammunition in the first place! Would this new law requiring retailers to log ammunition buyers do ANYTHING to actually prevent a criminal from obtaining a gun or ammunition? Or would a record of who bought a box of ammunition bring back the person (or persons) whom the buyer murdered? The only thing that would prevent the murder of an innocent would be the firearm in that person’s hand that shot back at the would-be murderer, in the end!

    A criminal is someone who, by very definition, has no respect for organized law in the first place. Therefore, any prohibition put in place by the law does not affect criminals; instead, it only affects law-abiding people who are willing to give the law in question legitimacy by following it. Otherwise, the law has no power if people do not willing follow it, even if it is enforced by an authoritative power! One of the real ironies here is that, should a law go unheeded by a populace, the only way to truly enforce the law is to do it by, well, force (or the intimidation of a populace by a seemingly vastly powerful authority)! Illogical laws dealing with the use of firearms and lethal force by law-abiding people must, therefore, be enforced by the same tools (firearms, written edicts, and a powerful authority) that many law-abiding citizens are supposedly “not capable” of using properly under these laws.

    This latest bout of illogical, evermore restrictive legislation is an attempt by ignorant people to try to correct all of the problems of society and humanity with misleading words, emotional ecstasy, and illogical fallacies. Unfortunately, by attempting to increase legal restrictions on law-abiding citizens, all this legislation succeeds in doing is in creating criminals out of ordinary, honest citizens. The problems of society do not stem from guns, drugs, money, politics, or any other physical item or applied social idea; it stems from the fallible human nature that is present in all of humanity. We all make mistakes, and none of us are perfect. To attempt to create perfection where none exists by putting ink on paper or text in a computer database somewhere does nothing to solve the real problem. The real problem can ONLY be addressed by each and every individual human being. People must make the decision to either do right or wrong on their own volition; no one else can change them. True, no one will get everything right 100% of the time, but at least they made the personal decision to try to do the right thing. And this post will NOT degenerate into some sort of debate over the definition of what is right and wrong. THAT is another discussion entirely…

    I hope this post has had some beneficial impact on spreading some awareness about this latest assault on personal liberty. Nothing surprises me anymore; it seems that no matter where one looks, there is always someone or something trying to claw at the best institutions humanity has ever known. Well, I guess only the future can really tell what’s going to happen, huh?

    Later all!

    Sincerely,

    alaskajag

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    Thumbs up Excellent and thoughtful commentary

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us alaskajag.

    There have been several heads-up notices regarding HR45 when initially introduced in the House. I know that the proposed bill has a long road ahead of it to pass the House, then Senate, and then signature of the president. However, the current political climate is more supportive of such legislation than previous years, so I'm glad to see that we are keeping our eyes on the horizon.

    I encourage folks to take the next step and let their elected officials know that you do not support any legislation that further restricts firearms, ammunition, etc....there are already countless laws restricting firearms, and Congress certainly has more important and pressing matters at hand than additional gun control. Mine have already heard from me. It's really easy to send a personal message (rather than form letter) to your elected officials. Here'e a link that you can use:

    http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

    Stay alert and stay involved folks.

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    If this bothers you then you should belong to the NRA! No they are not perfect but right now they are the best voice we have for defending the 2A!

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    Please note -- the bill seems to be a commercial enterprise (Ammunition Coding System -- run by Russ Ford, Steve Mace and John Knickerbocker-- see -- http://www.seattleweekly.com/2008-03...-code-bullets/) for profit rather crime prevention. In other words, the lobby and bill effort in 18 states is the work of the company that will PROFIT from the passage of the bills. $2.50 a box and prohibiting reloading -- it is all about making $$$. Given this, having reloaders would cut into profits of the "corporation" so that would unacceptable -- the reloaders must be turned into criminals in favor of companies profit? Therefore, the legislation is for profit of a company and if they get enough money and grease the state legislators wheels they should be able to win and make billions under the ruse of crime prevention.

    Angus McClellan of the NRA-ILA Grassroots said, “this is a proposal by a commercial enterprise that has a patent on technology to imprint the codes. They are trying to create a demand for their product by making it mandatory. The owner of the company admitted on NRA News that his lobbying firm put up the whole thing.” (http://www.standard-journal.com/arti...7815601856.txt)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgpcr View Post
    If this bothers you then you should belong to the NRA! No they are not perfect but right now they are the best voice we have for defending the 2A!
    The NRA is not taking a strong stand against Eric Holder ...and should be! I'm a life member of the NRA and I'm pissed at their weak stance of the last 18 months or so. I just now joined the Gun Owners of America as a life member as well ...they are sticking to business and not playing politics. Time to branch out and hit the issues with a one-two punch rather than just from one side, a side that has tinier cajones each year when it comes to politics. The GOA has easy terms for joining and/or becoming a life member ...low payments, optional 'contribution' amounts, etcetera. There's no reason not to support additional political action organizations. Obama is lining up his team and I doubt he's going to wait one moment before taking action, chances of a second term be ****ed.

    Brian

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    Default more info

    http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm


    Check this site out.. I think i'm gonna be sick..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by tananaBrian View Post
    The NRA is not taking a strong stand against Eric Holder ...and should be! I'm a life member of the NRA and I'm pissed at their weak stance of the last 18 months or so. I just now joined the Gun Owners of America as a life member as well ...they are sticking to business and not playing politics. Time to branch out and hit the issues with a one-two punch rather than just from one side, a side that has tinier cajones each year when it comes to politics. The GOA has easy terms for joining and/or becoming a life member ...low payments, optional 'contribution' amounts, etcetera. There's no reason not to support additional political action organizations. Obama is lining up his team and I doubt he's going to wait one moment before taking action, chances of a second term be ****ed.

    Brian
    I think the NRA is lying in wait for the moment, they will pick their fight. However, I will join GOA as well as be proactive, the propoganda war has already started Miami mayor has called for a gun ban and the sychophant media is playing it up.

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    "During the original inception of the 1968 Gun Control Act (which has been alleged by the pro-gun group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership to have been a mere rewriting of the 1938 German Weapons Law reform),"

    You know, your post would have been far more effective had you taken the time to actually purchase the materials www.jpfo.org has for sale that are side-by-side translations of the German and '68 GCA. Nothing "allegedly" about it.
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    Unhappy

    I received an e-mail last week from my step-dad in Texas regarding all of this ammo accountability nonsense. After reviewing what I could stomach, it is disturbing to say the least.

    I also believe that even though some folks are gonna make a few bucks here (the encoders, etc.), there's a larger plan being played here.

    After all of the reloaded ammo is destroyed and after all of the new ammo is in place and being bought. I think that the new records will start to indicate to the feds (or Obama's super security force he wants so badly) as to just what kind of artillery we have so we don't hold out on them when it's time to make it all mandatory to register EVERYTHING. Once everything is all registered and legal-like, THEN they'll grab 'em... I know that the Aussies didn't think it could/would happen either. Now look at them...

    Obama made it VERY clear along the campaign trail that: Only law enforcement and the military should have weapons. Privately owned weapons and concealed carry should be bannished..... He said it at least a dozen different times over the last 18 months.

    I believe it was Soviet Leader Khrushchev back in 1959 who said:

    "We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitolism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find that they have communism".

    Hmmm... Imagine that...

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