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    Default How do I tell a control feed from a push feed?

    How do I tell if my Post 64 Winchester Model 70 Long Action is a control round feed or push feed? I need a new stock and have no idea if that makes a difference or not.

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    If it's a control round feed (CRF) your bolt will resemble a Ruger bolt but if it's push feed it will resemble a Remington bolt. CRF bolts have long flat extra piece that's fastened to the side of the bolt.

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    Not entirely sure, but I know most Mod. 70 push feeds I have seen have had jeweled bolts, where as you're looking at the exposed portion of the bolt as it is closed, it has kind of a checked design ground in.

    With a CRF, like 300S&W mentioned, there is a fairly wide and long extractor which doesn't rotate when you open the bolt. Hope that helps. Just in case you don't have a Ruger or Remington handy to compare it to.

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    Here is a photo, (click to enlarge) of a Ruger M77MKII Bolt which is controlled feed and a M-700 Remington which is push feed. The Bolts for the Push Feed Winchesetrs looked just like a M-700 bolt with a winchester 3 position safety on the end. The original Ruger M-77 looked like a controlled feed but were actually a push feed with a Muaser long claw type extractor. Go figure... Lets see if these pics help
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    Thanks, that helps a lot. I believe it does have the extractor attached to the bolt, like my Ruger. I haven't shot the .06 in awhile since the stock is cracked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Float Pilot View Post
    Lets see if these pics help
    Thanks for the picts, they help a lot.

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    If I need a stock for my .06 does it really matter if its a control round feed or push feed? Mine is indeed the Rem. style push feed.

    Thanks again,

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    You need the stock for the post 64 push feed action. 30-06 length.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Float Pilot View Post
    You need the stock for the post 64 push feed action. 30-06 length.
    So if the stock is off a .300 or .270 that wouldn't work, even if its a post 64?

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    Yes they will. The 30-06 length action is what was once referred to as a standard length action.

    So, 30-06, 270, 280 rem, 300 Win Mag, 7mm Rem mag etc. were all in a standard length action. Even the 458 Win Mag went into a standard length M-70 action.

    The long magnum actions were for the 300 H&H, 375 HH etc.

    I see stocks being advertized as Long action or short action. Which is OK as long as they are not calling the short action the 308 cartridge length actions like those used for 308, 300 WSM, etc...

    Most of the younger folks call the 30-06 length actions a long action. Because they have not been exposed to the real magnum cartridges yet...

    I have a stock out in my shop that would fit your rifle but after loking at it, I discovered it is cracked behing the front action screw...NOT GOOD...

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    Thanks for the clarification, you've been a lot of help!

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    Some stocks like the Houge do not seem to be marketed for the controled or push feed. Maybe they are loose enough that they fit either.
    A wood carving set and a little glass bedding compund could make the wood stocks go eitehr way...
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    I bought a Hogue and took it back as it was REAL heavy to me. It fit with no problem at all though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tccak71 View Post
    How do I tell if my Post 64 Winchester Model 70 Long Action is a control round feed or push feed? I need a new stock and have no idea if that makes a difference or not.

    Tim
    Pull the bolt off the gun, and look at the bolt's face:

    The CRF bolt does not have a rim around the bolt's face, while a push-feed one has a very pronounced ring. The lower portion of the bolt's face in CRF bolt does not have this ring, since the round must slide from the magazine in an upward direction, and right between the claw (extractor) and the bolt's face. This is not possible if the bolt's face has a ring in the way.

    Look at a push-feed bolt's face, and you will notice the ring. This ring surrounds the base the case. You can clearly see this ring in the Remington bolt's photo posted somewhere above.

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    I bought a Hogue and took it back as it was REAL heavy to me. It fit with no problem at all though

    They seem real heavy to me as well. Plus that cold dead rubber feel reminded me of my ex-wife...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Float Pilot View Post
    They seem real heavy to me as well. Plus that cold dead rubber feel reminded me of my ex-wife...
    too funny, made me spit coffie all over my puter thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Float Pilot View Post
    They seem real heavy to me as well. Plus that cold dead rubber feel reminded me of my ex-wife...
    LMAO!

    Tim

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    Default M70 Win Stocks

    tccak71; any post-64 standard length action M70 stock will fit your rifle. Doesn't matter whether push feed or CRF. Even the 375 H&H M70 action is the same length, just has the ejection port opened slightly to allow for the longer cartridge. A pre-64 stock will not fit due to the action being slightly shorter.

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    Thanks, Fish Stix. I wasn't comprehending how the bolt type would make much of a difference since its located within the receiver.

    Tim

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