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    Angry Moose Quarter in Dumpster!

    So I make a trip to the dumpsters at Steese and Farmers Loop road yesterday here in Fairbanks. I look in one of the dumpsters (yes a little dumpster diving) and there is a whole moose shoulder! Looked in good shape. Skinned and was maybe hung up for a time. Thought about calling it in but how could the culprits be found? Maybe if we all keep our ears and eyes open we can catch these type of so-called hunters in the future. All this after I just got my first solo moose. I know how much work is involved and to see this waste of a magnificant animal makes me sick.

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    Why would you call it in? We are required to salvage the meat from the field. We are not required to eat it or even give it away.
    I know it looks bad, but there isn't a crfime to cal in in this case.
    Coulda been a quarter from someones freezer from last year??????????
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    Thumbs down Wanton Waste

    Martentrapper,

    I gotta disagree with you. The statute reads:

    Sec. 16.30.010. Wanton waste of big game animals and wild fowl.

    (a) It is a class A misdemeanor for a person who kills a big game animal or a species of wild fowl to fail intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence to salvage for human consumption the edible meat of the animal or fowl.

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    Seems to me somebody failed to salvage it for human consumption if nobody consumed it.

    Can you prosecute someone for freezerburn? You probably couldn't get a jury to convict. But if it's an entire moose shoulder, you oughta try.

    I'm not suggesting misdemeanor charges because a couple of roasts got lost behind the frozen guacamole and ruined. But a moose quarter is a lot of meat. And it shows a real disrespect for the resource. It is, quite simply, wasteful and wrong. That's why it's a crime.

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    Thumbs down waste...

    It seems totally irresponsible to throw away that much meat, freezer burnt or otherwise. With all the dog mushers in this state, many would clamour for it.
    Seems like quite a waste.

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    It didn't look like it had been hanging in a freezer all year to me. It looked like it had been hanging long enough to get a good crust on it and for some reason it was dumped. Either way, it was wasted. Should have been cut and wrapped or given away to charity this year or last if it was left over. Also, it is against the law to dispose of wild game parts like bones, scraps, etc. at public dump sites. Plus, this type of behaviour reflects badly on REAL hunters.

    Your response begs the question: Was it you?

    Quote Originally Posted by martentrapper View Post
    Why would you call it in? We are required to salvage the meat from the field. We are not required to eat it or even give it away.
    I know it looks bad, but there isn't a crfime to cal in in this case.
    Coulda been a quarter from someones freezer from last year??????????
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    I have to agree I think it was wanton waste also

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8x57 Mauser View Post
    Martentrapper,

    I gotta disagree with you. The statute reads:

    Sec. 16.30.010. Wanton waste of big game animals and wild fowl.

    (a) It is a class A misdemeanor for a person who kills a big game animal or a species of wild fowl to fail intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence to salvage for human consumption the edible meat of the animal or fowl.

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    Seems to me somebody failed to salvage it for human consumption if nobody consumed it.

    Can you prosecute someone for freezerburn? You probably couldn't get a jury to convict. But if it's an entire moose shoulder, you oughta try.

    I'm not suggesting misdemeanor charges because a couple of roasts got lost behind the frozen guacamole and ruined. But a moose quarter is a lot of meat. And it shows a real disrespect for the resource. It is, quite simply, wasteful and wrong. That's why it's a crime.

    It was salvaged from the field for human consumption. No law however says you have to consume it. No laws broken here.

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    what a shame, someone could have used it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlleninAlaska View Post
    It was salvaged from the field for human consumption. No law however says you have to consume it. No laws broken here.

    How do you figure, Allen? It was carried out of the field. It seems pretty apparent to me that it wasn't salvaged for human consumption. I really don't think the intent, nor the letter of that law is subject to debate. Putting it directly into the dumpster (if that is what happened) is not harvesting it for human consumption. I really don't see how you can argue otherwise. Care to elaborate?

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    By the way, Allen, you used the term "from the field". That term is not in the law cited, indicating that a hunter's legal responsibility to salvage for human consumption does not end once they are out of the field.

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    Thumbs down No way...

    I disagree. If it were salvaged for human consumption it would not have ended up in the dumpster. Where is the intent to salvage? Your logic says we can quarter an animal in the field and then on the way home pitch it in the dumpster instead of processing it....."for human consumption". If it was wrapped freezer burned meat then there would be evidence that it was salvaged for consumption. In this case it was a whole shoulder. Could have been on the meat pole the day before for all we know.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlleninAlaska View Post
    It was salvaged from the field for human consumption. No law however says you have to consume it. No laws broken here.
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    Default its simple

    the law says that it must be salvaged for human consumption, not for dumpster consumption

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    Or it could of been from a road kill. To blood shot or whatever.
    Rules are a little different on salvage.

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    Was it me? What a nice way for a moderator to conduct himself. But hey, I'll answer the question.
    I live in Nome. You said you found the quarter in a dumpster in Fbks. I haven't been in Fbks since early aug. So to answer your totally stupid question..........NO, it wasn't me.
    I didn't say I supported throwing away meat. I just pointed out that this wasn't a violation. If you don't believe me, call it in. Check with the troops. You'll see I'm (and Allen) right. Once the meat is brought into town, or to your home, or to a place to process it...........the requirements of the law have been satisfied. What happens after the legal requirements are satisfied is up to the individual.
    Brian (BM) Allen doesn't need to argue otherwise. YOU need to check with the troopers. Your too unfamiliar with the law.
    Frank, (fullkurl)..........while throwing game meat in a dumpster is not a violation, feeding game meat to dogs IS! I know it doesn't completely make sense, but that is the law.
    Snyd, was the quarter stinky? Was it dirty? Maybe you should have brought it home and cleaned it up and cut and wrapped it.
    Snyd, could you post the law that says it is illegal to dump game scraps at public dump sites? How many of you guys have put some bones, hide, viscera, etc. in the trash for the disposal company to pick up? How is that different from putting your meat scraps in a dumpster.
    Oh, and snyd.............maybe you could get together with bushrat and let us all know how to be "real" and "true" hunters.
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    People are too lazy to prove as fact what they want others to believe are fact. Put up proof it is a violation of the law, prove me wrong or just quit complaining. No law was broken other than what is moraly or ethically correct. But who are we too judge other morals or ethics? And nobody has yet to prove where this quarter came from.

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    marten and allen - I agree that the the Troopers may not enforce wanton waste laws once the meat is taken from the field, but that is not how the law is written. What the law actually is (as written) and how it is carried out are two entirely different things. The law - as written - states that it must be salvaged for human consumption without any reference to the field. Troopers may have added that in to their interpretation.

    By the way, I wasn't being lazy, nor was I asking allen or anyone else to argue (as Marten stated) or prove anything to me. I was trying to have a dialogue. Sheesh.

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    This seems like a terrible ethical violation, but I think I might have to agree with MartenTrapper on this one. I am no lawyer . . . oh wait, yes I am, but have never defended any DFG violations. It seems that one is required to "salvage the meat for human consumption," but is not actually required to consume it. Thus, as long as it is salvaged in a way that humans could eat it, I think the letter of the law has been satisfied. The spirit of the law, well, that one seems obvious. Given that it only has to be salvaged for human consumption, however, I am not convinced that MT is correct that it would be a violation to feed it to dogs. If you salvage it and it is fit for humans or dogs, it seems like feeding it to a dog would still be ok. If actually pushed on this, I doubt that a judge would find that feeding the meat to a dumpster is ok, but feeding it to your mushing team is not.

    I guess the only problem I do have here with violating the law is whether the meat has to be processed in some way in order to be "salvaged." I don't have my regs with me so I don't know if this is defined or not. Last time I had a big game animal in my freezer, we didn't just pull out the quarter and cut off a steak when we occasionally wanted one. We processed it first. Hanging from the rope in my garage to form a crust - I wouldn't say at that point it is quite edible since I would still want to cut and wrap it. Just a thought.

    Snyd - no offense, but that was a really stupid response, asking MT if it was him. If you've been here long, you would know he is a constant contributor here and comments like that are uncalled for and somewhat idiotic. Just because someone might disagree with you, you shouldn't go accuse them of hunting ethics violations on a hunting forum. Call them stupid, tell them you don't like the shoes they wear, their wife is ugly, whatever. But accuse them of that? From what I've seen MT is nothing but upstanding around here, even if his opinion - or in this case, his reading of the law - says something different than yours.

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    Question So if....

    If you are only required to get the meat out of the field and can then dump it.....why is there a transfer process requiring paperwork if you want to give the meat to someone else. Also, what motive would the unethical out of state trophy hunter have for taking home his meat when he can simply toss it in the nearest dumpster by the airport?

    I think if Mr. Trooper saw you leave the outfitter and head to the nearest dumpster and toss in some meat, you would have a hard time explaining that you met the letter of the law.

    If this is the way you guys are interpreting the law, it needs to be re-written.....soon!
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    Yes, whoever threw it in the dumpster should have given it a transfer of possession form signed by the owner. Come on guys, how is a whole shoulder still on the bone ready for human consumption?? You going to eat it like a chicken leg?? Calling the troopers will do you no good, you could talk to 2-3 different troopers and I'm willing to bet you will get 3 different interpretations. It's just a plain waste of good moose meat.

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    Here is the definition of salvage from page 23 of the current reg book:
    - to transport the edible meat as required by statute or regulation, of a game animal, to the location where the edible meat will be consumed by humans or processed for human consumption in a manner which saves the edible meat from waste. (I edited out words concerning hides and skulls, that aren't relavent to this discussion)
    Once a hunter arrives at home, or at his buddies house for a beer, or in a village on the way home, etc. etc. his meat has been transported to a place for human consumption. If using a transporter, once you hit town, or village, again............your meat is in a place for human consumption. Note, you must transport the meat in a manner that prevents waste. Dragging a whole caribou behind youe truck for a few miles probably wouldn't fit the definition.
    So, a quarter of game meat in a dumpster in Fbks would be very unlikely to fall outside the law. I can completely agree it is a waste and should have been handled differently. But there's no legal violation here.
    On page 21 of the reg book, under use of game, it details what may and may not be used as food for pets and livestock. Any game meat you are legally required to salvage may NOT be used as dog food.
    The transfer of possesion form has little to do with salvage requirements. It's use is to verify that the person in possesion of game meat legally acquired it.
    I believe it may be used to transfer the salvage requirements also, like to a transporter..........but don't quote me on that.
    You can probably pick about ANY dumpster in ANY town and it will show that us humans waste alot...............ALOT.........of food. Especially us american humans. Go to the local grade school and have lunch with the kids. I'll bet over half the food served there each day is thrown out. All of us hate to see it, but few have any real ideas on how to change our practices.
    I suspect it is normal human behavior to acquire more food than one needs at the time. That probably comes from a time when our ancestors actually faced starvation at times. I hate to see good food wasted as much as anyone, but I understand why it happens.
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