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    Cooper is off my wish list now........


    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ez-money_N.htm

    WASHINGTON Dan Cooper, a proud member of the National Rifle Association, has backed Republicans for most of his life. He's the chief executive of Cooper Arms, a small Montana company that makes hunting rifles.
    Cooper said he voted for George W. Bush in 2000, having voted in past elections for every Republican presidential nominee back to Richard Nixon. In October 1992, he presented a specially made rifle to the first President. Bush during a Billings campaign event.

    This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.

    Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support

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    I'm with you....
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    Default With just a bit of investigation...

    Like, going to the source, and sidestepping that bastion of fair minded journalism that USAToday has become, I found the following statement at Cooper Firearms website.

    http://www.cooperfirearms.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darreld Walton View Post
    Like, going to the source, and sidestepping that bastion of fair minded journalism that USAToday has become, I found the following statement at Cooper Firearms website.

    http://www.cooperfirearms.com/
    Thanks for posting that Dareld, my world had almost come to an end after reading the first post as a Copper is on the top of my wishlist. Ain't no better rifle for the money Too bad they don't have a better cartridge selection.

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    It ain't over yet. I took this post off the Accurate Reloading forum from Jorge.

    From another site with associated links, enough said:

    Daniel Cooper - Montana and there were three in Stevensville MT (one as Cooper Arms owner, one as CFI Montana. From the way they are grouped I believe them to be the same person)

    Total contributions $3100 - $2100 for Morrison of Montana in 2006 (the state auditor) and $1000 to Obama for Illinois in 2004.

    If we go to http://www.campaignmoney.com/ and search on Daniel Cooper in 08 in either the zip code 59870 or Montana you find no records

    If you go to

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/pr...ributions.html and search on Daniel Cooper you find this. For some reason this web ink isn't posting right it should read /elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/campaign-finance/search-contributions.html

    COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $200 Barack Obama
    13 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $-200 Barack Obama
    14 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $200 Barack Obama
    15 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $50 Barack Obama
    16 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $1,000 Barack Obama
    17 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $-900 Barack Obama
    18 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $900 Barack Obama
    19 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $60.6 Barack Obama
    20 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $-60.6 Barack Obama
    21 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $60.6 Barack Obama
    22 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $32.59 Barack Obama
    23 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $-32.59 Barack Obama
    24 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $32.59 Barack Obama
    25 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $50 Barack Obama
    26 COOPER, DAN Stevensville MT 59870 COOPER ARMS $2,100 Barack Obama

    If you go here http://www.opensecrets.org/ and check on Daniel or Dan Cooper you get this

    COOPER, DAN
    STEVENSVILLE,MT 59870 COOPER ARMS/PRESIDENT / CEO 4/15/08 $200 Obama, Barack (D)
    COOPER, DAN
    STEVENSVILLE,MT 59870 COOPER ARMS/PRESIDENT / CEO 4/15/08 $200 Obama, Barack (D)
    COOPER, DAN
    STEVENSVILLE,MT 59870 COOPER ARMS/PRESIDENT / CEO 4/15/08 $-200 Obama, Barack (D)


    I looked at the open secrets link and Times link and they are both legit. Either Dan Cooper with Cooper Arms donated to Obama or both websites have the wrong name and /or info.

    I suspect Mr Cooper posted info on his website to practice damage control as other folks on the AR website have already started cancelling their gun orders.

    He just lost a gun sale from me.

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    Default Remember the boycott of Ruger?

    Reminds me of the Ruger boycott..

    Remember back in the early 90's when Bill Ruger got sideways with gun owners? He help pass the ban on high capacity magazines and "assault" rifles starting back in the late 80s and early 90s stating that "no one needs a gun that holds over 10 rounds". He didn't make anything like that so he sold up out- the bustard.

    I stopped buying Ruger guns - never will again! We need to remind the younger gun purchasers that Bill Ruger screwed us over back then and as I recall he never apologized.

    I'll never buy a Cooper rifle either!
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    Hmmm... I think I'll make a call to Cooper Arms to see if there will be more details on this. The web site says he made the contribution in an effort to defeat HRC. As I recall, that's about the time when Rush and others were actually encourage republicans to register as dems for the purpose of voting for BHO to defeat HRC (which I personally thought was a pretty stupid and disingenious idea). There is a conflict in that Cooper Arms is listed as a contributor and the Cooper site denies that Cooper Arms was a contributor. The article also says he has given twice as much to McCain and the RNC. That could be damage control, but I'm not sure I see enough evidecne to convict of truely supporting OBama yet. The dates of the contributions will be interesting. If he is guilty of supporting OBama, I hope he steps down from Cooper Arms as it a fine rifle company. It would be ashame to see it go under because of this.

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    Off my list too.

    I'm not dealing with crazy people willing to shoot themselves AND their customers in the foot.

    Deja vu Billl Ruger anyone??
    Now what ?

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    Default I've screwed up once or twice, m'self...

    Once, I voted for Nixon.
    Apparently, the article is doing what it was intended to do, and that's cause division among what's still one of the strongest voting blocks across the nation. I DO believe that there's a closet Liberal or two hanging around these boards, and there's nothing that says ya ain't got a pair if'n ya ain't a Conservative.
    We've seen this happen with Ruger. Remember when DOJ under Klinton pressured S&W to cave in and what 'we' did to 'em after that?
    Gunowners are just barely starting to come under the gun, notice the news stories the last few days? Skinheads gonna 'do' Obama. Another school shooting. An 8 year old shoots himself in the face with an Uzi in Massachusets.....
    I'd have to say that in these days, we'd ALL better learn to be able to look each other in the eye, even if we have to swallow a grain of salt to do it, and meet the 'new' threat head on, or get used to having the things you like and like to do regulated out of existence.....
    Besides, much as I like their work, I couldn't afford a Cooper anyhow.
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    Montanarifleman,
    You may be right but 18 financial contributions to Obama still looks like support to Obama to me regardless of the reason. Some of his money could very well be being used right now to try and defeat McCain...

    I'll be interested to hear what Mr. Cooper has to say.

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    Dan might be a smart rifle builder and builds a fine rifle but he does not show much common since. I think he has made a big mistake that will follow his sales for some time to come even though most shooter's and hunter's memories are short. Mine is not short, not on the subject of gun control and government regulations. I was looking at the Nosler Custom rifle in 7mm08 and the Cooper. I really like the cooper but don't think I will be looking at it any longer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sep View Post
    Montanarifleman,
    You may be right but 18 financial contributions to Obama still looks like support to Obama to me regardless of the reason. Some of his money could very well be being used right now to try and defeat McCain...

    I'll be interested to hear what Mr. Cooper has to say.
    I agree, it doesn't look good, but I will reserve my judgement until I have heard all the facts. Even if his motive was to derail HRC, I still think it was a stupid thing to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by beartooth View Post
    Dan might be a smart rifle builder and builds a fine rifle but he does not show much common since. I think he has made a big mistake that will follow his sales for some time to come even though most shooter's and hunter's memories are short. Mine is not short, not on the subject of gun control and government regulations. I was looking at the Nosler Custom rifle in 7mm08 and the Cooper. I really like the cooper but don't think I will be looking at it any longer.


    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ez-money_N.htm
    Yep, I was really looking forward to getting a Cooper, but if this true, I'll have to re-evaluate. In the mean time I'll wait until the dust settles and the smoke clears and see just what is what...

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    I have a Left Hand Cooper Custom Classic 22 with all the bells and whistles on order. I may order another soon. Before you think I am some sort of traitor read the latest on Coopers Web site:
    http://www.cooperfirearms.com/

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    Good on them. Kudos to the board and all the employees. Mr. Cooper has just learned a valuable lesson...exercise great care in mixing business and politics. I expect if he actually resigns he'll still own a profitable ownership stake in the business?

    To put a spin on an old expression, "The road to socialism is paved with good intentions".

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    Cooper Firearms Corp. made a good decision. This is exactly why that when Bill Ruger passed on I decided to buy Rugers again.

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    I just got in from out back where I cooked a couple of alphalpha fed antelope steaks over the open fire. As I cooked and ate, the sun slipped from the sky and the Big Dipper, Polaris and the Little Dipper and a few other stars began to make their apearance. The Bridger Mountians faded into the dark across the upper Gallatin Valley. There to keep me company was my handsome, blocky headed, 95 lb yellow lab, Rocky and my 41 Redhawk loaded with 250 gr hardcast. There was about a 300 lb blackie hangin' around last night. He would make a good rug. When you look up the words "Man's Best Friend" you will find a picture of Rocky and quickly become envious. He is laying on the floor beside me now.

    Well... It looks like my Cooper Jackson Hunter 270 Win is *still* on my wish list...

    Back to making antelope sausage and curing jerky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowwolfe View Post
    I have a Left Hand Cooper Custom Classic 22 with all the bells and whistles on order. I may order another soon. Before you think I am some sort of traitor read the latest on Coopers Web site:
    http://www.cooperfirearms.com/
    Thank you for that and MontanaRifleman was right in waiting. Thanks again for the info.
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    It would seem that Dan Cooper used his position at Cooper Arms to infuse his political views on Obama into the firearm world.
    It seems to have backfired on him; the firearm world doesn't want his political views. Neither does COOPER ARMS !
    Regardless of Dans political views he shouldn't have brought them to work and involved his company.
    The firearm/hunting world has spoken with their money; hunters did the talking and Dan did the walking.
    Cooper will recover from this nonsense and retain it's good name and quality firearm line, and hopefully it's customers. It's hard to find a rifle of this quality that's made in USA. I hope they continue to serve hunters for many years.
    NOW, if I could just afford one !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaRifleman View Post
    I just got in from out back where I cooked a couple of alphalpha fed antelope steaks over the open fire. As I cooked and ate, the sun slipped from the sky and the Big Dipper, Polaris and the Little Dipper and a few other stars began to make their apearance. The Bridger Mountians faded into the dark across the upper Gallatin Valley. There to keep me company was my handsome, blocky headed, 95 lb yellow lab, Rocky and my 41 Redhawk loaded with 250 gr hardcast. There was about a 300 lb blackie hangin' around last night. He would make a good rug. When you look up the words "Man's Best Friend" you will find a picture of Rocky and quickly become envious. He is laying on the floor beside me now.

    Well... It looks like my Cooper Jackson Hunter 270 Win is *still* on my wish list...

    Back to making antelope sausage and curing jerky.
    Boy, you just painted a nice picture for us. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowwolfe View Post
    I have a Left Hand Cooper Custom Classic 22 with all the bells and whistles on order. I may order another soon. Before you think I am some sort of traitor read the latest on Coopers Web site:
    http://www.cooperfirearms.com/

    WoW! That's some interesting info there. Thanks for that update.

    It doesn't really take long for our views and opinions to make an impact. i e-mailed them yeaterday about it and asked a few questions and gave them two serial numbers of Cooopers that I owned and asked if they would like to have them back. I may have injected a few political opinions as well. I'd guess they have received several calls and emails. It's almost like the Jim Zumbo fiasco. It didn't take long for Remington to drop him either. It wouldn't be right for big Dan's politics to put all those skillful workers out of a job and it seems that the board of directors is certainly trying to prevent that. Good move on there part.

    I have met Dan Cooper and we've talked several times. He is opinionated and a little out there but a good gun guy and Cooper does build a fine rifle. I wouldn't want to see them go under.
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