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    So I was planning on one last weekend of moose hunting this weekend in remainder 14C, Was gonna accompany my Dad who after probably 15 years of applying got a cowtag for the knik/hunter creek drainage in remainder 14C.

    He called me up tonight and said his permit area is virtually closed off because Eklutna Inc has posted no tresspassing signs on all their lands.

    He called the land manager up (my dad BTW does lots of work for eklutna inc) and asked if he could hunt the land, they said they will only give permits to shareholders.

    I know the world is unfair and blah blah, but man talk about a waste to have all that land just go to one select group.

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    all is private property ...sucks if it goes to waste

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    dont be afraid to actually become a shareholder... just a couple stocks (cheaper than a hunting permit)

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    Non-natives can't own stock in Native Corporations, especially village corps.

    Heck, even later generations of those villagers can't............

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    Well I asked my dad that, and was told not unless your native, but just in case I sent an email asking about becoming a shareholder.

    Based on the info on the "about eklutna inc" I got the impression that you are not going to be a shareholder unless you are born into it.

    Here is the little blurb-

    Eklutna is the largest private landowner in Anchorage, with significant holdings in the Mat-Su Valley, owning or entitled to receive more than 90,000 acres of land from Eagle River to Palmer.

    Today, the corporation represents more than 160 shareholders and manages a variety of investments, including shopping centers, office buildings and residential developments.

    Thats right all that hunting land for just 160 people!

    And that map you posted is just the land they own in the anchorage area. There is another map of the matsu bourough wich is more frightening.

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    You might want to check to see if the land you want to hunt has been conveyed to Eklutna Corp. They have some property out there, but there is a lot of land that is selected but not conveyed (as far as I am aware). They would not be the first to post land before they own it.

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    Patrick is right.................they cannot enforce trespass on "selected" land. Might have to check with BLM to see what is conveyed and what is selected.
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    Look at all the land that is now posted along the Egderton hwy between liberty falls and the McCarthy Rd

    Then how about all the postings between Glenn Allen and Sourdogh

    and yet more between Broadpass to the Iglo on the parks. All Athena, You used to be able to get into the mountains there where the Rail Rd tracks cross the rd, but not anymore, no more moose, bear or sheap hunting. Cant believe the state sold us out like that

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    Works out to 962 acres per person, assuming every one of them hunts. But, lets be fair. I don't think that they are totally the ones to blame. This is, after all, thier land, and the corp. has a responsibility to provide access to a way of life that that land can provide, whether it is utilized or not.
    we all certainly have other options available to pursue. I'm in no way saying that it doesn't bum a guy out when he gets a tag and wants to hunt, then finds out the plan won't work. I'm just saying that before you put in for tags, you need to do your homework, and have your ducks in a row.
    We have LOADS of native land here in S.E., but the Natives are pretty friendly here. Not saying trespass is guaranteed, but they will generally listen, and have a pretty cool policy as far as allowing non-Natives access to thier land.
    I do notice quite a bit of open land on the little map posted above, though. Any walk-in options? Good hunting.

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    Be advised that many of the same problems exist with the Matanuska South cow tag as well (DM408? or 406?). The vast majority of that land is owned by the Chickaloon Tribe and they will issue a Use Permit but have closed all moose hunting to non-members. You can camp, but no moose hunting. There are some other areas to hunt but the majority of the really good area is off limits.

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    THe area that my dad got drawn for is pretty small. He is a surveyor by trade and I know that he spent the better part of his day researching areas to access.

    You mentioned all the closed land up north, lets not forget about what they did to the kodiak road system this year too. Smells funny around this state I think.

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    This issue with the private land owned by native corps has gotten out of control! When is the state gonna quit this chit?

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    For those of you who are native Alaskan here I am not trying to bash but this whole native land situation stinks. This is like down south where the rich folk take all the good hunting land and laugh at the little guy. Here the natives take all the accessible land and thumb their nose at the white guy.
    It does not make sense to me as why the native corps are doing this. I feel like they are just trying to show they have power over us.
    As more and more native land becomes posted, the dislike between natives and whites will increase. This will bread more animosity and prejudice. I feel like the white people are being treated unfairly due to our race!
    Why can't we live in harmony?

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    Might as well build casino's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akflyfisher View Post
    For those of you who are native Alaskan here I am not trying to bash but this whole native land situation stinks. This is like down south where the rich folk take all the good hunting land and laugh at the little guy. Here the natives take all the accessible land and thumb their nose at the white guy.
    It does not make sense to me as why the native corps are doing this. I feel like they are just trying to show they have power over us.
    As more and more native land becomes posted, the dislike between natives and whites will increase. This will bread more animosity and prejudice. I feel like the white people are being treated unfairly due to our race!
    Why can't we live in harmony?
    OK - full dosclosure before my response - I'm half Native, and also a non-resident, so I probably already rub many the wrong way even before responding. But, here goes...

    White people being treated unfairly due to race? Welcome to the club man, all the races have felt this at one time or another. I faced it in school, my sisters have seen it at work, etc etc. So don't feel like you're unique, racial inequity has existed for centuries, maybe you're just starting to feel its effects now.

    As for Native corporations closing lands to hunting for non-members - if I understand correctly that some or many corporations restricted shareholder membership to certain generations of natives, those folks will be too old to hunt one day. I'd advise some of the more reasonable and balanced of the Alaska hunting organizations to attempt to initiate a dialogue with some of the corporations, to see if something can't be worked out in terms of usage fees for hunting privileges. Most people will at least listen if it means possible money in their pockets; perhaps 1-2 Native corporations already allow hunting on a fee basis, and these might be shown as examples of a potential win-win situation.

    I wish we could live in harmony too dude, it seems like a better way to live if we could get there. But if you interchanged the placement of "white" and "native" in your text above, you'll probably get pretty close to the way many natives feel, rightly or wrongly. That's the barrier that needs to be addressed before constructive dialogue can occur.

    Just my .02.

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    Rather than rehash all the reasons and who is responsible for this fiasco, I would suggest future discussions be held on what is to be done about it.
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    I think a proposal should go forward to the BOG stating: No open seasons for Small Game or Big Game to lands not accessable to all private citizens of the United States.
    This includes private property posted by individuals as well as corporations.

    BTW: Thank Ted and Don for this. The others are history, but these two remain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akres View Post
    Rather than rehash all the reasons and who is responsible for this fiasco, I would suggest future discussions be held on what is to be done about it.
    For Starters:
    I think a proposal should go forward to the BOG stating: No open seasons for Small Game or Big Game to lands not accessable to all private citizens of the United States.
    This includes private property posted by individuals as well as corporations.

    BTW: Thank Ted and Don for this. The others are history, but these two remain.
    Hey man - can you tell me what a "private citizen of the United States" is? Or am i misreading your post?

    I'd suggest something less radical than what you're porposing, trying to make laws that state people can't post their own property ain't gonna cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaCub View Post
    When is the state gonna quit this chit?
    I don't think the state has much to do with it. The tribe recognition and land conveyances are based on federal law, not state.

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    My bad Brian, its hard to track who traded what and when.

    mdhunter,

    Just so you know I have contacted the native corps and was as pleasant as pie and even offered to pay for access to certain land that has been recently turned back over to them after a decade of us being allowed to use it. Their answer was not just no, but hell no! This is a growing problem up here that just adds to our already growing problems across the board.

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    MDHunter,
    Until I came to AK I use to hold Native Americans with high regard. As a hunter, fisherman, and gatherer I wanted to live a lifestyle that that they are the masters. The land and its offerings are something to be cherished.
    I come to AK and the land is something to own and keep others off of.
    It seems to me that the native corps are doing this in some type of retaliation. Why are they retaliating against me? I have never discriminated against them nor any native american for that fact. As an outsider you don't know how it must feel that almost all accessible land on an island with less than 50 miles of road has been shut down to hunting. The way that non-natives in AK is heading in a bad direction and the native corps only response is "it is our land, keep off". What really burns me is that they choose all the land beside the road but leave the mountain tops with very little access to even get there.
    It really sucks here now that I can't even hunt rabbits in the winter.

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