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    Not sure this is the correct place but what is the take of Alaskans concerning the picking of Sarah Palin to run with John McCain? Will it affect the wildlife of Alaska? Will it be good for the state?

    My questions assume that they win the presidential election.

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    Big thread about the issue here - http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...ad.php?t=37751
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    How many post/views on this thread now? I made my 10 post quota and still can't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil View Post
    Not sure this is the correct place but what is the take of Alaskans concerning the picking of Sarah Palin to run with John McCain? Will it affect the wildlife of Alaska? Will it be good for the state?

    My questions assume that they win the presidential election.
    Sara is all about the out doors every every outdoors man should support her Dem/ rep alike. all the things we have been fighting against these last few decades. she wont let slide. pro guns pro hunting pro fishing, pro trapping, pro-sportsman pro outdoors...anti speacial interest, anti peta you get my drift.....
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    Sara is - all the things we have been fighting against these last few decades..anti speacial interest

    Anti special interest - wholly smokes dude! What do you call the Alaska Outdoor Council? Her favorite organization!

    They are the states largest mouth piece for commercial hunting, one of the main reasons you can't find any game to shoot!!! Non resident hunters have decended on Alaska and AOC and the BOG want even more. More Moose for more out of state hunters - time to artificially manage the wolf - bear - even wolverine. Thats what the AOC fought for diligently in the last legislative session. More "farmed" game for their fatso out of state buddies, too lazy and stupid to hunt without a guide and plane!

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    Sarah is a freaking barracuda for sure. Sells out to the commercial hunting lobby like nobody in the history of this state!

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    regardless.. lesser evil then . she is still one of THE BEST things that has come out of CURRENTLY AVAILABLE POLITICIANS since hammond... for the state of Alaska and out doors man alike.

    if you dont like how she does things Vote for Obama, then see how long you get to hunt here....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    regardless.. lesser evil then . she is still...
    DUDE Evil is still evil.


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    Quote Originally Posted by residenthunter View Post
    Originally Posted by Vince
    Sara is - all the things we have been fighting against these last few decades..anti speacial interest
    Anti special interest - wholly smokes dude! What do you call the Alaska Outdoor Council? Her favorite organization!.....
    Would you prefer Joe Biden and his historical record of support to HCI and other anti-gun organizations?

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    2. Biden-Mitchell Compromise

    On June 6, 1991, Senator Joseph Biden (D-Del.) proposed S. 1241, a bill designed to control and reduce violent crime. [106] Biden's bill was the Democratic version of the crime package offered by the Bush administration on March 11, 1991. [107] On the same day, Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell (D-Me.) revealed his own compromise proposal for a handgun waiting period. [108]

    Mitchell's compromise consisted of a waiting period with a mandatory background check and the authorization of forty million dollars to help states update their criminal records in order to facilitate instantaneous criminal background checks. [109] The receipt of federal funding would be contingent upon compliance with two conditions. [110] Senator Mitchell indicated specific reasons [p.259] for this conditional funding. [111]

    S. 1241 was basically a reintroduction by Senator Biden of S. 618, his own Crime Control Act of 1991, with the inclusion of the compromise version of the Brady Bill. According to Biden, the nation needed such a comprehensive anti- crime bill. [112]

    3. Thurmond's Compromise

    On June 20, 1991, Senator Strom Thurmond (R-S.C.) attempted to have the President's crime bill, S. 635, substitute S. 1241. The one-hundred-day deadline for Bush's proposal was June 14; however, when the time came for a vote on the bill Senate Republicans did not want to support the Thurmond initiative. [113] When Thurmond attempted to amend the measure in an effort to capture more votes, his bill began to closely resemble Biden's comprehensive crime bill, S. 1241.

    Debate raged back and forth between the two competing factions in the Senate. Democrats claimed that the GOP bill was, in essence, S. 1241. [114] The only difference was Thurmond added monetary provisions for state and local law enforcement officials patterned after Biden's proposals. [115] Thurmond insisted that S. 635 was still the administration's bill, even though the administration explicitly stated that the extra $3 billion for law enforcement was neither necessary nor available. [116]

    When the measure was brought up for a vote it was rejected by a 40-56 vote, which was mostly along party lines. [117] In an effort to salvage the administration's bill, Thurmond and other Republicans attempted to offer parts of S. 635 as individual amendments to S. 1241. [118] [p.260]

    4. Stevens' Amendment

    On June 28, 1991, Senator Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) proposed an amendment that would replace the waiting period for gun purchases with a mandatory instantaneous background check. [119] The amendment provides for a penalty against the states if they do not have an instant check system implemented and operating twenty-four months from the date of enactment. [120] The penalty for a state failing to comply with the mandatory checks from improved state and federal criminal history records would result in the loss of justice assistance grants. [121] According to Senator Stevens, these mandatory criminal background checks would still preserve the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens. [122] The amendment does not permit the registration of either a gun or a gun owner and it specifically prohibits keeping any records of lawful transactions. [123]

    This amendment was met with great opposition. [124] Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell pointed out that the Stevens' amendment was substantially similar to the Staggers' amendment proposed in the House. [125] Mitchell believed that the amendment failed to provide police with the requisite tools needed to make a thorough background check of a prospective handgun purchaser. [126] Therefore, he asserted that the amendment was proposed in an effort to avoid the strict waiting period. [127] Mitchell further stressed that an instantaneous check is neither technologically feasible, nor cost efficient at the present time. [128] As a result, the Senate rejected Stevens' amendment by a vote of 44-54. [129].....

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    Sarah Palin and Joe Biden: Worlds Apart
    Friday, August 29, 2008 Even before this week, the difference between Barack Obama and John McCain was clear. For one, McCain joined more than 300 other members of Congress in signing a "friend of the court" brief, in District of Columbia v. Heller, urging the Supreme Court to rule in favor of the Second Amendment and against D.C.'s handgun ban.
    Obama refused to sign the Heller brief, and supports reinstituting the Clinton gun and magazine ban. He also supports Ted Kennedy's bill to ban semi-automatic handguns in the guise of "micro-stamping," and supports banning inexpensive handguns as "junk guns."
    But now that each candidate has chosen his running mate, the difference is even clearer than before. And when it comes to guns, the two prospective vice-presidents are as far apart as the states from which they hail.
    Sen. McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is a NRA Life Member and hunter who says, "I support our Constitutional right to bear arms and am a proponent of gun safety programs for Alaska's youth," adding "I have always strongly supported the personal use of fish and game by Alaskans. I grew up hunting and fishing in Alaska, and I am proud to raise my children with this same uniquely Alaskan heritage."
    NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox says "Governor Palin doesn't just talk about supporting the Second Amendment, it's part of her life, and she did her part to vindicate the Second Amendment for all Americans when Alaska joined 30 other states in signing a legal brief supporting Heller's challenge to the D.C. gun-ban."
    As for Joe Biden, from Delaware, the Brady Campaign sums it up in a straightforward enough fashion, saying, "Senator Biden has been a consistent supporter of the Brady Campaign," and "Senator Biden was a key player in the fight for the federal assault weapons ban that passed in 1994. He also worked hard for passage of the Brady Law (sic)."
    In fact, Biden introduced an "assault weapons" ban in Congress five years before the Clinton gun and magazine ban was imposed. In 1989, Biden's Senate Bill 1970 proposed to ban the Colt AR-15 and eight similar firearms as "assault weapons," and authorize the Secretary of the Treasury (in reality, BATF) and the Attorney General to recommend to Congress any other firearms, regardless of type, to be banned as "additional assault weapons."
    As lead sponsor of the Senate crime bill to which the Feinstein gun ban amendment was attached, Biden was instrumental in the passage of the 1994 Clinton gun and magazine ban. Biden reiterated his support for the ban—and, in fact, took credit for authoring it—in response to a question at the CNN/YouTube debate earlier this year (to view the video, please click here).
    Biden voted for the ban on a stand-alone vote in 1993, and voted to extend the ban in 2004 as an amendment to the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act." He also included a renewal of the ban in his crime bill last year, along with gun show restrictions.
    Currently, Biden's S. 2237 proposes to renew the Clinton ban on roughly 200 makes and models of semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, and handguns on the basis of things like the shape of their grips, and on ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, regardless of the kind of firearm in which they are used.
    As if that's not enough, Biden voted against the law that prohibits lawsuits designed to bankrupt law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers. He also refused to sign the Congressional brief in Heller, and voted to confirm only one of the five justices who ruled in favor of the Second Amendment in Heller, yet he voted to confirm all four justices who voted against the Second Amendment in that case.
    To put it simply, Gov. Sarah Palin would be one of the most pro-gun vice-presidents in American history, and Joe Biden would definitely be the most anti-gun.
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    Friday, September 05 2008
    A pistol-packin' Looby Loo: the Left's worst nightmare

    Frank Sinatra would have got the joke. In the words of the great political philosopher, they all laughed at Christopher Columbus when he said the world was round.
    They're all laughing, too, at John McCain for choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate. The usual suspects took one look at this pistol-packin' momma and reacted like John McEnroe to a disputed line call: you cannot be serious!
    Certainly, the pick came, as the Americans say, out of left field. But Sarah Palin is centre stage now, and suddenly it's game on.

    Stern, God-fearin', gun-totin' Sarah Palin. Will she get the last laugh?
    At the very least, McCain has got a wonderful sense of mischief - a quality sadly lacking in most politicians.
    The way the Left, both here and in America, are contorting themselves is a joy to behold. Sarah Palin is every Guardianista's worst nightmare.
    It's reminiscent of how they used to patronise Mrs Thatcher 30 years ago. What did this small-town girl know about anything?
    How could any woman expect to run a country and raise a family? What does she know about foreign affairs?
    Of course, they weren't saying that a woman couldn't be Prime Minister, you understand. Just not this woman.
    Shirley Williams would have been fine, but this ghastly, lower middle-class Snobby Roberts woman from Grantham, of all places - AAARGH!
    It's been hilarious watching the sisterhood tie themselves in knots over Sarah Palin.
    They've been in full Glenda Slagg mode - dontcha just hate her, dontcha just love her?
    On the one hand she's a feisty, capable woman shaking up the political establishment, while juggling a family and career. I don't know how she does it.
    But on the other, she's a Godfearing, gun-totin', good ol' girl. She hunts, she fishes - she's a Republican, for goodness' sake.
    Sarah Palin is every red-blooded redneck's fantasy figure, every randy schoolboy's Mrs Robinson. She could have stepped straight out of one of long-lost cousin Michael's Ripping Yarns.
    Cheerleader, beauty queen, dominatrix of the Harper Valley PTA, mother of five, mayor, governor and now a heartbeat away from the Vice-Presidency.
    You couldn't make her up. Law And Order's Fred Thompson, once a presidential candidate himself, hit the baby seal on the head when he said the Left were in a blind panic over what to do about Palin.

    Joke's on you: John McCain, displaying a sense of mischief rare in politics, with his choice of Sarah Palin, surrounded by her family, as his running-mate
    What they are doing is what they usually do when confronted with something which offends their world view - character assassination. Every 'liberal' newspaper and TV network has sent hatchet men north to Alaska to dig for the dirt beneath the tundra.
    What they discovered is that 80 per cent of Alaskans think she's doing a great job.
    A supermarket tabloid is claiming she had an affair, which she denies. Apart from that, the worst the scandal-hounds have come up with is that Palin, as governor, put pressure on a police chief to fire her former brother-in-law.
    Given that said brother-in-law had beaten up her sister and threatened to kill her father, I'd say that far from abusing her office, she showed considerable restraint. I'm surprised she didn't put a bullet in his head.
    The big talking point is the pregnancy of Palin's 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, who is soon to marry her boyfriend. That's what I call a shotgun wedding.
    Still, it kills the wild rumour that Bristol is really the mother of Palin's Down's syndrome baby, Trig.
    You've just got to like a woman who calls her son after a character in Only Fools And Horses. Although it's probably fair to assume she doesn't have a working knowledge of Cockney rhyming slang, otherwise her daughter would never have been christened Bristol.
    When Palin talks about shattering the glass ceiling, the sisters are supposed to cheer - except most of them suspect her idea of shattering a glass ceiling would be with a both barrels blast from a 12-bore.
    She epitomises the 'God and guns' mentality at which Barack Obama and his supporters sneer. They use 'small town' as a pejorative term. That's not how Middle America sees it.
    John Mellencamp wrote his hit song Small Town as an ironic take on Hicksville, USA. He even performed it at an Obama rally earlier this year.

    Back at you: Democrats say Sarah lacks the experience for the top job - but neither do Obama or Biden
    But that hasn't stopped Middle Americans adopting it as an anthem. Mellencamp must be just as horrified as Springsteen was when Ronald Reagan purloined his anti-war Born In The USA as a campaign song.
    It's not that the Americans don't do irony, as European 'sophisticates' always maintain.
    It's just that sometimes, my dear, they don't give a ****. A good song is a good song - and to hell with the message.
    Most Americans were born and raised in a small town. Her values are their values.
    The mantra from the Obama camp is that she lacks the experience to be VP. In truth, she has more executive experience than either Obama or his Neil Kinnock-impersonator sidekick mate Joe Biden, neither of whom has ever run anything.
    But, wail the sceptics, what about foreign affairs? Admittedly, Palin has never slagged off her country at a mass rally in Berlin. But Alaska's next door to Russia. She's got more experience of dealing with Russians than anyone outside of corporate hospitality at Stamford Bridge.
    Who is Putin more likely to be wary of - Barack 'we must negotiate with dictators' Obama, or Looby Loo packing heat?
    To paraphrase the Duke of Wellington, I don't know what she does to the enemy, but she scares the life out of me.
    Palin reminds me of the old joke about what's the difference between the IRA and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with the IRA.
    What she does have in spades is experience of the energy industry - the number one concern right now. Palin would drill, drill and drill some more - polar bears or no polar bears. And when the oil companies got greedy, she imposed a windfall tax. Unlike Gordon Brown, who'd keep it, she gave every Alaskan a $1,200 rebate.
    With all the hoop-la, it's easy to forget that she's running for Vice-President, not President. Not yet.


    Sarah Palin: The next Margaret Thatcher? Time will tell...
    That's what really frightens her condescending opponents. Not that we've a leg to stand on in Britain. We've got Harriet Harman a chewed fingernail away from the top job - and she's never shot a moose in her life.
    Remember, they all laughed at Margaret Thatcher.
    But ho, ho, ho, who had the last laugh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    .........At the very least, McCain has got a wonderful sense of mischief - a quality sadly lacking in most politicians. The way the Left, both here and in America, are contorting themselves is a joy to behold.......
    I couldn't agree more! It's the most entertaining politics I've ever had the pleasure of enjoying!

    Great article from a Thatcher conservative Brit. Thanks for that, Vince.

    BTW, you have great taste in football teams...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil View Post
    Not sure this is the correct place but what is the take of Alaskans concerning the picking of Sarah Palin to run with John McCain? Will it affect the wildlife of Alaska? Will it be good for the state?

    My questions assume that they win the presidential election.
    Well considering her record on not adequately funding fish and game, and not believing in science... Plus her unethical public opposition to a non binding referendum on stopping the single biggest threat to fisheries in this state.

    I'd say she's a pretty big threat to hunting, fishing and wildlands.

    Seriously if you had any idea how little money is spent on fish and wildlife management in this state it would shock you. I would bet rhode island has more wildlife bios and game wardens than we do. We have the money lets study something (as opposed to spending it on PR campains on the theories of game managment that ADF&G can't actually prove because of lack of funds)
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    Thanks for posting the article. It was a great read, Vince!

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    How do you guys think the McCain / Palin ticket will stand up if Obama ditches Biden following the VP debate Oct 2nd for "reasons of poor health" and replaces him with Hillary?

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    Got this in the email... like to know the truth of it

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    Obama explains why he doesn't salute the Flag

    Is this what he wants to add to his list of changes, to eliminate ourStar Spangle Bannerand stopsaluting the flag??????

    Obama explains why he doesn't salute the US Flag




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    I sure hope this gets around before Nov.!!!

    On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:48:04 -0400, 'LTG Bill Ginn' USAF ret. forwarded the following:

    Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin,
    presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he
    doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.

    According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171,
    During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present
    except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag
    with the right hand over t he heart.

    'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking
    sides,' Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in the world to whom the
    American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a
    war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should
    be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song
    'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing.'
    If that were our anthem, then I might
    salute it.'

    Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this could possibly be our next president!!

    I, for once, am speechless. He has absolutely NO pride in this country!!!!!

    This is outrageous!!!! He doesn't deserve to be dogcatcher!!!
    (Oh, sorry dogcatchers, I mean you no disrespect.)

    LET'S SEND THIS CLOWN DOWN THE ROAD KICKING ROCKS!!!!

    Forward this to EVERYONE YOU KNOW

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    Obama's favorite statement, redistribution of wealth. Where have I heard that before?

    OH, Yea. Lenin, and Castro, they said that. In fact it was so popular they had rebellions and fighting to get it in place. Now look at them.

    Do we really want to go there?
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    The original question- will the pick of Palin affect the wildlife? Will it be good for the state? As much as I hate retoric, to best reply you have to ask the question back- will the election of Obama/Biden be good for the state? O'bama's answer to all America's ills is a bigger federal government, taking more responsibility away from the states and the people. More taxes, more payments back to the lower and middle classes. Shut down the coal industry- "bankrupt them" in his words. Force coal and natural gas fired electric utilities to burn cleaner, which will cause "skyrocketing energy prices." (Ok, so he'll give tax cuts to the poor- but will raise taxes by voting against the current tax cuts that Bush implemented. The utility bills will "skyrocket." Jobs will be lost due to the tax hikes on business- what will the net result be for the poor and working classes?) Would ANY of that help Alaska's wildlife, our ability to hunt it, or the state as a whole? More of Alaska turned into national parks, federal managers giving area game to residents of that area only, or indiginous peoples who think one of their ancestors at one time or another may have hunted or fished there, or would have if he had an airplane. $10 a gallon gas and $400 a month electric bill. I don't see that doing me ANY good as a hunter.

    Palin is a hunter. Her parents both hunt, her father is a very avid hunter and trapper. She lives in Alaska, so can bring her perspectives to DC, which traditionally knows as much about Alaska as they do about gun control and murder rates. (DC has the highest murder and gun crime rate in the country WITH the strictest gun control laws). I can't see how her selection can be bad for the state.

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    since apparently the majority of REAL America (sorry Sara but we are ALL real Americans) have decided that McCain is not the answer

    as a career military man and vet myself I honor his service

    I wish to god he had been our president these last 4 years

    but his time had passed and then he went totally off the deep end and picked Caribou Barbie as his running mate

    not only is she clueless on anything politcal outside the Mat Su valley.........she is also a narrow minded hateful divisive and ulitmately unethical figure who hopefully has won her last election

    (I'm kind of hoping she tries to become some kind of National Republican figure because I don't think Alaska will re-elect her just to watch her start her run for the Presidency a month or two after her second term would begin)

    anyhow your question was couched in the assumption that "they" (vs "that one") won.......and "they" did not.........they lost...........BIG-time

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