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    I couldn't help but notice the overwhelming number of "Obama voters" on a recent trip to AK, as a member of the NRA I thought that you should know about his anticonstitutional ideas...
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    Finally, some of the real "changes" that this inexperienced, racial, gun hating left winger wants are exposed. When i say racial i am speaking of the fact that he is half white but you'll never hear him talk of "that" side of the family. And the fact that he went to a church where you had to be black to be a member. Boy if John McCain had did the latter....gone to a church where you had to be white to be a member people would be calling him a white supremacist, and rightly so. Just as Barak is a black suppremist. People..............be warned. I hope i dont get kicked from this site for stating my opinion.

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    As a life long Alaskan, I too am amazed that this guy gets any support from folks up here. But he does. Unfortunately.

    In decades past, we Alaskans played host to numerous immigrants who came where to become Alaskans.

    Over the past 10 years or so, we have received more socialist colonist than before. These folks are bent on changing Alaska to meet the low standards of the places from which they came. The sad part is that many of these yahoos vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AcousticLicks View Post
    I couldn't help but notice the overwhelming number of "Obama voters" on a recent trip to AK, as a member of the NRA I thought that you should know about his anticonstitutional ideas...
    www.nraila.org/obama

    Great info

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    This is from a friend who's on another forum..... I just copied and pasted it here. It 's worth reading..







    So, I just got my FOP (Fraternal Order of Police) newsletter today, and they have a rather large section about Mccain and Obama. The FOP, which is a police union for those who don't know, sent both candidates a questionnaire consisting of several LE related issues. The following is a question concerning gun control, and the response of both candidates:

    Because of the increased politicization of firearms issues and the lack of any meaningful public safety component in many legislative proposals, the membership of the FOP adopted a resolution stating that it would not support additional "gun control" legislation beyond our support for the measures signed into law in 1994*. Will your Administration seek to push any additional "gun control" measures? If so, what public safety benefit do you expect this to achieve and why should the FOP overturn its resolution on the issue?

    Mccain:
    I believe the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right that must be protected. We have seen the record of gun control, and it is a record of crime fighting failure. Assuming that criminals will abide by gun restrictions is dangerously naive. Gun bans, waiting periods, ammunition bans, registration and licensing of gun owners - each of these has a common theme: they only affect law-abiding citizens. And, they have another common theme: they don't work as crime fighting tools. The way to reduce crime is to prosecute criminals to the fullest extent of existing laws - which, if elected President, gun owners can count on my Administration to do.



    Obama:
    I greatly respect the constitutionsl rights of Americans to bear arms. But I also believe that we can respect the Second Amendment and stem gun violence in our communities. It is especially important to stop the trafficking of illegal guns, and my legislative priorities will focus on the common-sense steps we can take to do just that.

    First, we know that when law enforcement agencies operate in concert at the federal, state, and local levels, the chances of solving a crime increases. But since 2003, the Tiahrt Amendment has restricted the ability of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to share gun trace information with members of state and local law enforcemen. The ATF has a wide-ranging database of gun information, yet Washington has threatened police officers with time in prison for attempting to access it. If we repeal this Amendment, it will give police officers the tools they need to fight the illegal gun trade and reduce crime.

    Second, I support requiring background checks and closing the gun-show loophole that has been exploited by everyone from foreign terroristss to the Columbine High School shooters. Closing it would not impair the rights of lawful gun owners.

    Finally, I believe we should reinstate and make permanent the expired federal assault weapons ban. We've witnessed the need for the ban in my hometown of Chicago, where Mayor Daley and the Chicago Police Department are backing a plan to equip officers with semi-automatic assault rifles in part because our officers have been outgunned by criminals equipped with AK-47's and similar weapons.



    *there is a seperate question concerning the 1994 Lautenberg law and it's retroactive provisions. The FOP seems to support a repeal of the law, or at least to make it enforceable from the date of the original enactment forward, and to remove the retro language from the bill. That's a seperate issue as far as I'm concerned, and I'd like to focus on Obama's response.


    I just wanted to put this out, since I haven't really seen Obama come straight out and say some of the things that he did here. Again, this comes from the FOP Journal, July 2008 issue, pgs 8-9 (for a proper footnote).


    I'm also aware that I'm pretty much preaching to the choir with this, but hopefully, Obama's words will sway some voters who think he's OK on the gun issue. He is NOT pro-gun, and in an attempt to gain the vote of the nation's largest law enforcement labor union, has finally come out and stated as much. Personally, I hope the FOP endorses Mccain, but I'm not sure if they will. We'll see, though, as Obama provided several "wrong" answers to questions they posed him (this was only one of almost 20 posed to both candidates).

    I posted this on another site, as well. It's a gun board, and is one of the bigger ones out there. I know there's not as many "gun nuts" on this board, as compared to others sites, but I thought this might help clarify the position of Obama on gun control.

    Oh, and notice how Obama drops the ATF in with the Tiahrt Amendment? Last I heard, the ATF themselves did not support a release of that info....good job, Obama. Support a measure that the very agency responsible for collecting it, is against.

    Also, if anyone is wondering, Obama does NOT support a repeal or any change to the Lautenburg law...big surprise, right?

    Well, enjoy the read, and vote Republican....because if you don't, we'll have Obama in for sure. You'll be able to have your deer rifles, at least. That is, until his adminstration bans any ammunition that is capable of penetrating soft body armor. That's ANY rifle round, by the way, and there are already attempts at doing just this around the country. Granted, most of the idiot legislation comes from the fruits and nuts in California, but if you've noticed, that retarded state is held up as a model for what the rest of the country should do...I've also seen proposed legislation that would amount to a ban on semi-auto shotguns, and may even affect pump action shotties. Don't know about you, but I use a Remington 11-87 for both dove and waterfowl hunting.

    Keep this crap in mind when you vote this year. While it's true that Obama may not be able to do this stuff by himself, as Congress can stop him (checks and balances...our Founding Father are awesome!), he CAN appoint new judges to the Supreme Court. Conventional wisdom says that the next President may have the chance to appoint 2, or even 3 judges to the SC. Want them to be overbearing, idiotic, liberal ones? Then vote Obama, or just don't vote for Mccain...either way, it's the same thing.

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    Probably many of you are aware, but, one of Obama's largest contributors is George Soros, the billionaire socialist. His group was basically responsible for pushing through the Australian gun ban, something I never thought I would see. Have to stay vigilant.

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    Hey just so you all know. I am stationed here in Alaska and grew up in Dixon IL. My dad is a retired Police Officer and current Republican Chairman. Sen Obama is the same kind of left wing dangerous politician as the current Gov of IL. The Gov has pushed and passed enough new laws through that Springfield Armory is looking at taking its operation and all of it jobs across the river in IA. I believe this is the same with Rock River Arms. Mayor Daley has been the Chicago Maory for 20 some years and you cannot buy a firearm within the limits of Cook county period and if he and the Gov had their way you could not buy one in the whole state of IL. I cannot believe that a country that I grew up in and learned how to handle a firearm the correct way from my grandfather and father would even be considering electing some F&^%(#$ A*&^%$# that wants to take away our rights as a citizen of a free nation. But then the ones who believe he has all the right stuff are also the same ones that still think criminals buy their guns the same way we do, legally.
    Sorry to vent on this forum, but somethings I still do not understandand when it comes to this man and his views I am lost at how anyone can vote for him.
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    Just to throw a neighbours view at this, but doesn't the Homeland Security Act basically allow The State to ignore the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments??
    What good is the 2nd amendment, or the 1st for that matter, if The State can bust down your door and send you off to Gitmo based on heresay?
    Please fill me in if i am off base on this, but from what i have read, the Homeland Security Act is pretty 1984 if taken literally.
    Our previous Lib. Fed. Gov. tried increasing firearms control via C-68, and in the end, it didn't work.
    I registered my firearms like a good citizen, and i was still getting formal requests to register my firearms years afterwards. I just showed them my registrations, and they were like, "oh". Bloody waste of $ in the end.

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    Well, the message is crystal clear!

    Is it too late for Hillary?

    This Obama drivel is the same old batch of B.S. that has been handed around from radical liberal to radical liberal.

    There is no loop hole at gun shows. FFL holders follow the same rules at shows as they do at the home shop. Private sales between individuals is as it has been and should be.....private.

    An Assault weapon ban is in effect and has been since 1933. An Assault rifle must be selective fire (both semi and full automatic) Not semi automatic or auto loader. A detachable magazine is an item of convenience, not a part that makes a sporting rifle a criminals rifle nor does it make an honest hard working American a criminal just because he has a rifle with a detachable magazine.

    Obama:
    It is especially important to stop the trafficking of illegal guns, .....But since 2003, the Tiahrt Amendment has restricted the ability of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to share gun trace information with members of state and local law enforcemen......... The ATF has a wide-ranging database of gun information, yet Washington has threatened police officers with time in prison for attempting to access it. If we repeal this Amendment, (Does he really mean the second?) it will give police officers the tools they need to fight the illegal gun trade and reduce crime.

    If it is illegal trafficing, what good is the ATF information to anyone, that is only legal transactions? There is a lie in there somewhere!


    Second, I support requiring background checks and closing the gun-show loophole that has been exploited by everyone from foreign terroristss to the Columbine High School shooters. Closing it would not impair the rights of lawful gun owners.

    There is no gunshow loophole! Back ground checks are performed at every gun show.


    Finally, I believe we should reinstate and make permanent the expired federal assault weapons ban. We've witnessed the need for the ban in my hometown of Chicago, where Mayor Daley and the Chicago Police Department are backing a plan to equip officers with semi-automatic assault rifles (So a catchy phrase is abused ad infinitum by this moron) in part because our officers have been outgunned by criminals equipped with AK-47's (Let's see, here. Criminals have AK-47's, why not ban criminals?) and similar weapons. (Similar! You mean guns with triggers?)

    It is good to see his true colors come through!
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    Thats alot of info to look into, thanks and keep it coming!

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    And just where exactly was your beloved NRA when it came too the 2nd Amendment besides compromising away our Constitutional rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlleninAlaska View Post
    And just where exactly was your beloved NRA when it came too the 2nd Amendment besides compromising away our Constitutional rights?
    let's see - right now they've filed lawsuits in chicago and san francisco to challenge the laws against handgun ownership there, based on the recent Supreme Court decision. Since you asked, can you tell us what you've done lately to support our 2nd Amendment rights?

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    Why did they wait until after the Supreme court decision. Why did they not take up the DC ban years ago. Why did they compromise on the AWB. Their membership will be dropping like flies now that they have no boogie man to use to beg for money.

    As for me I belong to the Second Amendment Foundation who has been fighting the rights at the state level for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlleninAlaska View Post
    Why did they wait until after the Supreme court decision. Why did they not take up the DC ban years ago. Why did they compromise on the AWB. Their membership will be dropping like flies now that they have no boogie man to use to beg for money.

    As for me I belong to the Second Amendment Foundation who has been fighting the rights at the state level for years.
    they didn't take up the DC gun ban fight years ago because the case was always going to be close, and depending on who was in the white house when it got to the Supremes, it might have further restricted our gun rights. in what should have been a 7-2 decision or so, we BARELY made it, 5-4. THAT is why they didn't push it - there was always a LARGE risk of not winning, and when we're winning the battle at the state levels by getting CCW in most states and castle Doctrine in many, why take the risk?

    As it is, we all owe DC Mayor Adrian Fenty a HUGE debt of gratitude. If he'd just taken his medicine from the Court of Appeals, he could have tweaked the DC law under the radar, and we'd have been none the better nationally. He let his ego and pride get the best of him, and took it to the Supremes, to our great benefit. Now, we have precedent to challenge the laws in Chicago and San Francisco, and then other locales and laws.

    Good for you for being involved with the 2nd Amendment Foundation. We ALL need to do our part to protect our rights.

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