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    Default Skilak Motor Regs

    Do the new Kenai motor regs going into effect also cover Skilak? Will I need to have a 4 stroke on my driftboat to get to the take out after floating the canyon? That seems a pretty big lake to put restrictions on.

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    Thumbs down Yes!

    This part of the 4-stroke regs was a little sneaky if you ask me. I didn't hear anything about including Skilak in the rule when they were discussing the Kenai. But the reg says, 4-stroke or DFI only, and it's already in effect. Horsepower remains unlimited.
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    Thumbs down Yes

    According to the ticket we got last week from Parks service, YES.

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    Default Refuge there first

    So here is what I found out. Skiliak Lake all the way to and a little past the swan sactuary is part of the KNWR-kenai refuge. The refuge was there before Alaska was a state. State rules don't actually automaticly become a rule for NWR. These rules have to be adopted by the refuge. This four stoke rule everyone is talking was NOT adopted. I called KNWR and talked to their top law enforcement officer and told me that this law is something that the park rangers probilly dont really understand. They would probably and did give tickets for this but you could fight it and win. It is something that people need to be aware of. I hope this helps, just the info I gathered let me know if you find anything else out.

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    Default I am not a lawyer

    But I would believe that Skilak lake is a "navigable waterway" which would fall under State control.

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    With all do respect. It is part of the Kenai National Wildlife Refuge which picks which rules and regulations that they adopt. Since it falls in the Wildlife refuge it goes under what they picked for the body of water. Not trying to argue but I called down there and that is what their top guy told me. I think that people just dont understand that the refuges does not have all the rules of the Park system. They have two different missions and beliefs and is one of the reasons why they are two seperate orgs. You can run two stokes through there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tino17 View Post
    With all do respect. It is part of the Kenai National Wildlife Refuge which picks which rules and regulations that they adopt. Since it falls in the Wildlife refuge it goes under what they picked for the body of water. Not trying to argue but I called down there and that is what their top guy told me. I think that people just dont understand that the refuges does not have all the rules of the Park system. They have two different missions and beliefs and is one of the reasons why they are two seperate orgs. You can run two stokes through there.
    I remember when the Feds first took control of the Kenai and Russian rivers. I still believe those are State waters that happen to run throught the KNWR.

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    Default Interesting info

    I've heard from some field officers on Skilak that their own department boats & motors do not meet the new 4-stroke rules and they are not allowed to operated them on Skilak (unless emergency response) until they upgrade.

    As for who "owns" the lake, it does reside within the KNWR, that much is quite clear. See http://kenai.fws.gov/overview/maps/bathymetric.htm for list of "their" lakes. Then if you go to this page http://kenai.fws.gov/regulations.htm you'll find a list of the KNWR's regulation on the use of "their" lakes, which includes boats on the water. Sounds pretty straight forward, but...

    Then go to State Parks and you'll find that they claim it to be "their" water... http://www.dnr.state.ak.us/parks/units/kenairiv.htm

    Sounds like we have yet another interagency-regulatory-conflict (IRC) on our hands. Nuttin' new, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOAT View Post
    I've heard from some field officers on Skilak that their own department boats & motors do not meet the new 4-stroke rules and they are not allowed to operated them on Skilak (unless emergency response) until they upgrade.

    As for who "owns" the lake, it does reside within the KNWR, that much is quite clear. See http://kenai.fws.gov/overview/maps/bathymetric.htm for list of "their" lakes. Then if you go to this page http://kenai.fws.gov/regulations.htm you'll find a list of the KNWR's regulation on the use of "their" lakes, which includes boats on the water. Sounds pretty straight forward, but...

    Then go to State Parks and you'll find that they claim it to be "their" water... http://www.dnr.state.ak.us/parks/units/kenairiv.htm

    Sounds like we have yet another interagency-regulatory-conflict (IRC) on our hands. Nuttin' new, however.

    Its really about State Rights versus the Federal government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBassking View Post
    Its really about State Rights versus the Federal government.

    Your right compleatly it is exactly that! I'm going to send the refuge manager a email asking him about this, and see what he says keep you posted.

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    That really stinks.
    I hadn't even considered the ban including Skilak. I put in for hunting permits on the lake 9didn't get any) & the boat I have access to is 2 stroke.
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    Default OK for now

    I guess with the exception of July, we are ok with 2 smokes this year. I'm waiting to hear what Tino finds out. I'd bet that even if the Feds are the AHJ, State Parks Rangers will still write you up. Hey Ridgerat, what's the fine anyway?

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    It's just for July now, but I imagine that soon 2 strokers will be permanently outlawed.

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