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    Default 2 New Rifles for 375 Ruger in 2007 ...

    http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/N-Firearms_News.html#

    Appears there will be 2 new rifles for the new 375 Ruger in 2007. Not a whole lot of info yet, but ...

    An Alaskan model and an African model.

    Should be interesting ...

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    It will be fun to watch them emerge. I'm not holding my breath for a left handed model, though!

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    Default 375

    I second that brownbear, I'm still hoping CZ-USA comes through for us.

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    375 Ruger? Anybody have a clue how it's different than the current 375's out there? Ruger's site news release says "A new era of strikingly efficient rifles for dangerous game will be coming soon." Does that mean a short mag 375WSM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by akfishinguy
    375 Ruger? Anybody have a clue how it's different than the current 375's out there? Ruger's site news release says "A new era of strikingly efficient rifles for dangerous game will be coming soon." Does that mean a short mag 375WSM?
    akfishinguy, here is a little info and a few picks of the cartridge ...

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=209828

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    Default 375 Ruger Not so Short Mag (RNSM)

    How's that.

    It is 2.500" long same as the 338 Win Mag.
    Case head is .532" same as all belted mags.
    Body is .532" in diameter, .020" larger than belted mags and about .020" smaller than RUM's and WSM's.

    It is beltless, with minimum body taper and appx. 30 degree shoulder and a neck length of .340". All dimensions are approximate but very close. It will hold about 86.0 grains of H4350 and give 2770 fps to a 300 grain bullet. If that ain't just what the kitty ordered. I think it's worth waiting for.

    Good shootin'.

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    Thanks for the info...looks like it'll be an interesting cartridge.

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    Can you say....neck it up to .416 and .458?
    I can!!!! Impressive round without going the wildcat route.

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    Can you also say "neck down" to 358 and 366. The Dakotas carried the old and odd Jeffrey rim. It is going to get crowded around the 375 caliber with bunches of wildcats and factory offerings. I'll still take the .375 H&H in plain vanilla, thank you. They are just as dead now as they were dead then when shot well with the H&H. I am waiting to buy the Ruger No.1 in 450/400. The 9.3 x 74 is already out.

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    Hidden among the huppla is a quite announcement that Ruger is once again releasing a bolt in 358 Winchester. Thats good news, too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by akfishinguy
    375 Ruger? Anybody have a clue how it's different than the current 375's out there? Ruger's site news release says "A new era of strikingly efficient rifles for dangerous game will be coming soon." Does that mean a short mag 375WSM?
    Ruger is too savy to make such a mistake as a 375WSM. It appears that Ruger has dropped the entire line of short magnums. I can't find on their web site where they show any short magnums available for any of their rifles. If this is the case, I think it is a smart move on their part, and about time, and good riddance.

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    Default Hoo-Yah!

    This news from Ruger ranges from great to grand. As excited as I was about the 375, non-belted, standard length, magnum bolt head cartridge for Africa and Alaska, I am even more excited about the news of 450/ 400 NE round. This excitement was almost too much to take when I read further and found it was to be the 3" version and not the 3 1/4" version. Brass for the 3" is easier to find and stronger by design than the older 3 1/4".

    I had heard they made a few of the 9.3x74's in the No. 1, but haven't been able to locate one. I would cetainly prefer the 450/400 anyway.

    The 450/400, named in the English tradition of parent case followed by the caliber, is made from necking down the 450 31/4" black powder case to accept the .410" bullets. Or some where between .408" and .412", anyway. Today .408", .409", .410" and .411" bullets are made for them, but there was a lot of variation in rifles made around the turn of the century. There were extraction problems with the original 450/400 when using cordite. The extra pressure of smokeless powder cause case swelling and the thin rim was not much help in extracting the fired case. Jeffery set about to remedy the situation and developed the 450/400 3" version about 1896. The 3" had thicker brass and a strong rim of .065" thick. Ballistics of the new version was the same as the older one with black powder roots, a 400 grain solid or soft, at 2150 fps. This round was called the 400 Jeffery and was a much loved caliber for Africa and India. It was Jim corbett's favorite Tiger gun and John "Pondoro" Taylor sang it's praises even though he favored heavy, big bore rifles. Even W.D.M. "Karamojo" Bell loved it and he was always a small bore rifle man.

    I have loaded for and fired three double rifles in the 450/400. One 3 1/4" version and two in the 450/400 3". One of which was made by the Jeffery firm and marked as a 400 Jeffery. This tiger gun was made in 1921 and made for a member of the Singh family in the Punjab state of what is now India. One could only imagine the hunts it had been on. But this valuable piece went back to it's well healed owner after only about a hundred rounds fired to regulate and develop loads for a Tanzanian lion hunt. (Actually it only took about twenty rounds but this rifle was so much fun to shoot and I was getting paid by the round.) It's value was about twice what I paid for my first house!

    I have a Ruger No. 1, Tropical rifle in 405 Winchester. A caliber rich in history and famous hunts as well. Hornady collaborated with Ruger to bring out this oldie and makes good brass and bullets for it. I would guess this 450/400 would be supported that way as well. If Hornady makes the brass and a good 400 grain bullet of .410" diameter, (and Ruger grooves the rifle accordingly, of course) that would be good news indeed. This would allow the use of the 300 or the 400 grain bullet for both calibers, just a little versatility. The 300 grain is a good bullet, they make a funny looking spitzer and a flat nose. I prefer the flat nose, it looks better and in my Ruger and a borrowed 1895 was more accurate than the spitzer.

    I do hope Ruger makes a regular run of these rifles. They made the No. 1 in 404 Jeffery but only a short run and they were all snapped up by executives and collectors and the only one I know of for sale is over two grand. I just want one. One plane jane, blued steel and cicarssian walnut, run of the mill........ok...... maybe an upgrade in the wood. But I will take what comes. One of the greatest calibers ever.

    I also look forward to seeing the new 358 Win in a Ruger MK II M77. This is a favorite deer/ black bear round for many hunters in the lower 48. Especially in the eastern half and the dark timber of the mountains of the west. I have owned a couple of the older M77's in the 358 and don't know why I ever sold them, oh yeah, to get a pre-64 carbine. Another great round.

    As for all the necking up and down of the wonderful new 375 case, well let's get started. Hornady should have brass available soon. Anything from 338 to 423 would be fine with me. Yes I want to see a 425 Ruger! Boy, this is like a candy store. Good shootin'.

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    Murphy,
    If I'm not mistaken, Ruger announced they would be making the No.1 in 9.3x74R but they haven't hit the shelves yet. I hope I'm correct about that and not that the run is over...

    In the article I saw with the Ruger No.1 H in 450-400 3", it also showed Hornady factory ammunition boxes open next to the rifle. That gives the impression, at least to me, that Hornady will be making factory ammunition for it. Considering Hornady is involved, it wouldn't surprise me if they held the bullet diameter along with what the 405 Winny was, .411" as they already have a supply of bullets to load. 'Course, they come out swinging with a .408" for all I know.

    Here's the picture from Shooting Gallery (http://www.shootinggallery.tv/articl...ticle_90.shtml)


    The article in the Shooting Gallery also said Ruger would bring the 358 Winchester back, I'm assuming in the M77 Mk II of some variant. Will be interesting if they go with a faster twist rate this time than the old tang safety models. Maybe a 1-12" instead of 1-16" to handle longer and heavier bullets than the 200 grain.

    Personally, I'm still holding my breath for a scaled down (3/4 or 2/3) No.1 in 22LR.

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    Default Here we go again!

    The thing hasn't hit the shelf yet and we've got converted into a dozen different wildcats already and I'm loving it!

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    when will we find out more info on these rfiles? (Alaskan model in particular)

    December?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluewy View Post
    Ruger is too savy to make such a mistake as a 375WSM. It appears that Ruger has dropped the entire line of short magnums. I can't find on their web site where they show any short magnums available for any of their rifles. If this is the case, I think it is a smart move on their part, and about time, and good riddance.

    KB
    The WSM rounds make alot of sense in the small bores, as you can get great performance in a light package. Rick Jamison sued Winchester on a patent infringment and won a settlement, and that has had an effect on who is chambering WSM's, and who is paying royalties.

    I've shot enough medium and big bores to know a short mag makes no sense in a big round, because there is no benefit in a light rifle chambered for a powerful medium bore. And if you'e going to have a rifle of reasonable weight for a medium bore, you might as well have it in a full size action.

    To me the 375 Ruger doesn't really do anything the 375 H&H does, but, with the demise of the Win M-70, the only alternative in a stainless CRF action is the Ruger M-77 mk II, which ruger doesn't offer in a full length mag. So in that sense, an allweather ruger in the 375 Ruger makes alot of sense!

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    I'm confused about the Ruger #1 in 9.3x74. Have they hit the market yet. Has anyone actually seen one. Is it being made in the Tropical Rifle or another model.

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    "To me the 375 Ruger doesn't really do anything the 375 H&H does, but, with the demise of the Win M-70, the only alternative in a stainless CRF action is the Ruger M-77 mk II, which ruger doesn't offer in a full length mag. So in that sense, an allweather ruger in the 375 Ruger makes alot of sense!"

    Montana Rifle Company offers a stainless CRF in any size and in right and left handed actions. However they do cost more. Expect to pay about $900 for a ss barreled action and then another 450 for a good Syn stock.

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    Default 9.3X74 No. 1 S

    Quote Originally Posted by lrs View Post
    I'm confused about the Ruger #1 in 9.3x74. Have they hit the market yet. Has anyone actually seen one. Is it being made in the Tropical Rifle or another model.
    This rifle was originally advertised as coming in the No. 1 H, Tropical rifle. That is too heavy and with some prodding they are now coming out with it in the standard weight No. 1 S rifle. This should be much better to haul around. This is also much more appropriate for the 9.3x74 as it's ballistics are 286 grain at 2350, about what the 9.3x63 does in a bolt rifle. Mild on the shooter yet still very effective in the field.

    They are not out yet, delayed by the change but are promised for the 2007 year. They are catalogued but as the 'H' model, that is to change to 'S' before production starts. (Subject to change without notice.)
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    I have long been a fan of both the 9.3x62 and 9.3x74. I have a small collection of 9.3x62's, and once owned a 9.3x74. I have always hoped an American mfg would put out a factory rifle in one or both of these rounds. As soon as this rifle hits the market, I will be on it. I hope they do make some in the tropical rifle. I know the extra weight would be difficult for carrying long distances, but here in Texas, at least where I hunt, we don't have to hike great distances. That would be a fine classic round in a great rifle.

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