View Poll Results: Do you belive thier excuse?

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Thread: I can't believe this "excuse"!!!!

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    Default I can't believe this "excuse"!!!!

    Location: Chicken Ridge - Unit 20E
    Case Number: 06-72515
    Type: Take Moose Closed Season x 2
    Text: On 8/13/06 at 0915 hours Tok ABWE Troopers were contacted near
    mile 17 of the Chicken Ridge trail by numerous hunters reporting that
    two men had just killed two young bull moose near mile 25 of the trail.
    Suspect descriptions were obtained and at 1015 hours, Troopers located
    the men as they were processing the animals. Investigation revealed
    that the shooter, Robert J. Holthouse, 52 yoa of North Pole and his
    hunting partner, ID'd as Johnathan A. Byrd, 33 yoa of Eielson, were
    preparing to depart their camp when Holthouse saw two animals he thought
    were Caribou. Holthouse was without his binoculars and stated his rifle
    scope was fogged over. Holthouse began firing at the animals, killing
    one and wounding the other. Holthouse stated upon getting to the
    wounded animal he heard nearby hunters yelling at him that they were
    Moose. The animals were salvaged and the group was escorted by ABWE to
    the road where the animals were seized. Holthouse was issued two
    citations for Take Game Closed Season and his rifle was seized. The
    meat was donated to two charities in Tok. Arraignment is set for August
    21st. in Tok District Court.
    Author: BWJ9
    Received and posted Monday, August 14, 2006 8:09 AM

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    Default I call major BS on that one!

    That's complete BS and they know it. Come on now..."we thought they were caribou" BS! Two of them thought that 2 bull moose were caribou. What! That just gets me fired up. I'm glad they were caught and I hope they get hung out to dry!

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    Default caribou hunters

    Too bad whatever sentence they get will not cure their stupidity. Hunters like that are the most dangerous things in the woods.

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    It might be possible that an vbery inexperienced person with out binoculars and a fogged scope might make a mistake. But if you haven't clearly identified your target, why they heck did he start shooting anyway? Although innocent until proven, This looks like he shouldn't have been out there in the first place.

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    Where do you look up this information?


    Just imagine if that big brown type object he was looking at through his fogged scope was two people standing side by side. The whole entire story smells fishy.

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    Default on the other hand

    Who would poach in an area loaded with hunters? Your true criminal type usually wants to get something for nothing and not get caught. And as you say, who is careless enough to shoot things they cannot clearly identify, that part has got to be posturing. A few years back some hunters were pinched for shooting short horned sheep they thought were goats, so anything is possible with so many new people coming into the country.

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    Water Gremlin, anyone can look it up, the State Troopers post news releases every day. It sometimes makes for interesting reading, the link is below.


    http://www.dps.state.ak.us/pio/dispatch/index.asp

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    The two people standing side by side post is right. These guys should never be given a chance to hunt again if they are shooting through a foged scope. Are they shooting at somthing that far away they can't even tell the difference between a moose, man, bear ect. This is the thing that gives us all a bad name. Knotheads

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    I would like to be a mouse in the corner at the arrainment.

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    Default Stupid

    The worst part about stupid people is that they seem to reproduce at an alarming rate....I would guess that this is the case with these two fine citizens also....

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    Two very, very stupid *******s.

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    What a laod, if you can't ID it don't shoot. Plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sollybug
    Hunters like that are the most dangerous things in the woods.

    Please don't refer too these 2 as being hunters, they are nothing but poachers.

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    Thumbs down im not impressed.

    Ive turned down a shot at a huge moose that was within 20 yards just because it was a little too dark. Those guys have no excuse.

    There' the reason god created Icy straights and commercial crab pots! Bloop

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    For background on this...I work with one of the guys....one guy shot both moose. My coworker was in the area, but did not shoot them. It was only one guy to blame on this. My coworker was just salvaging the meat to turn in since he knew what to do. I don't know the other guy or what he was thinking.

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    Angry

    Either way, if you don't know 100% for sure what your target is you never take aim and sure as heck don't start shooting.

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    And these people can be out when your in the woods.. Man I hope they don't mistake me for an animal..
    Living the Alaskan Dream
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    Good thing they didn't shoot my horse. He's a little dopey looking but he don't got no antlers!

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    Location: Tok
    Case Number: 06-72515
    Type: After Arraignments - Take Game C/S x 2
    Text: On 8/21/06, Robert J. Holthouse, 52 yoa of North Pole, entered a
    plea of Guilty in Tok District Court to two counts of Take Moose Closed
    Season committed on 8/13/06. Holthouse was sentenced to a total of
    $5000 with $2500 suspended, 6 days in jail w. 6 suspended, 2 years
    probation and ordered to pay $2000 restitution to the state for the
    Moose. He was additionally ordered to forfeit his Ruger M77 .300 WinMag
    Rifle and the meat of the 2 Moose to the state. His hunting license was
    revoked for 1 year with the condition that if he attends and completes
    an Alaska Hunter Safety Instructors course his hunting license will be
    reinstated.
    Author: BWJ9
    Received and posted Monday, August 21, 2006 3:52 PM
    I do not know if you guys read, but here it is.

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    Default Fines suspended?

    I guess I don't know much about suspended fines since I've never been in that situation...what does $2500 suspended and 6 days suspended mean? Does that mean he pays it at a later date and serves his jail time later, or suspended depending some kind of outcome?

    I would say if he got charged all 5 grand and spent nearly a week in the clink and lost his gun he got what he deserved. But why give him back his license if he completes the AK hunter safety instuctor course? So they want someone who blatently broke a F&G law to become an instuctor? What? Why not make him go to that class and still not get his license for a year? I don't get that part.

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