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    I know this is a bit “off topic” but I am pretty fired up about it. My third son was born yesterday, and God willing he will soon be toting plastic six shooters in plastic holsters, while watching John Wayne movies with his brothers and I!

    This little fella represents the last of our “planned” family and I have marching orders to make my self an appointment to………..well, you know. From Bull to Steer I guess……………..

    But too the point of my post, I am about to begin yet another “guy buying binge” for boy #3. My wonderful wife, God bless her, she must certainly be the most tolerant of wives, as she has never questioned any purchase destined for the boys! I bought the first one a 30/30 Winchester Trapper when he was 2 (obviously he has not fired it yet) and had Andy Hawk add a recoil pad and do some trigger work to it. Bought #2 a Savage 25 also in 30/30 when he was………….well, he was still 0, but getting close to 1 and had Andy install a recoil pad on that one as well, but only after I had totally re-worked that awful stock into something that actually resembles a functional gun stock. So, obviously you can see that I favor 30/30’s for youth guns, and for good reason as I cast my own bullets and can load them down to nearly zero recoil. Really fun to shoot, not too loud, super cheap, and should turn out to be a good tool for learning to handle “center fire” firearms. Naturally I will be on the hunt for a couple more 30/30’s and at least one of them will be a pump (that will give the boys a bolt, pump and lever to learn on) and of course I should probably have a cheap and well worn Winchester 94 for myself!

    Now…………on to .22’s. I currently lack any sort of youth / beginner .22 and I plan on buying three all at the same time, and of the same make and model, then have the boys names engraved on them as these will eventually be given to each boy to be his very own personal rifle as apposed to all the other rifles that I, and they will consider “family property” to be used by one and all. To that end I have been shopping for some time now and note that several companies seem to offer good quality youth sized .22 rifles for reasonable prices (for me that means under $250) specifically the ones made by CZ and Savage. I prefer it to be a repeater and either a bolt gun or leaver action, and I am not opposed to some custom work to shorten the length of pull if necessary, as in the event that one particular 22 seems to be “the ticket” but only available in adult sized stocks. So for you my fellow forum members and experts in all things firearm related………..what would make your personal “short list” of .22 caliber rifles for a child of 8 to 10 years old?

    As a personal note, my oldest is only 4, so we got some time to work with here, and I am not really a fan (just my personal preference here, right or wrong) of kids under about 8 (obviously each child is different) shooting anything other than a BB gun. So don’t bother suggesting the “chipmunk” or any other such “micro” .22’s please, as I have tried them all and found them to be…………….well, pretty crappy to be frank. Bad triggers and horrible actions. So, that said, bolt or lever, and your preferred brand if you please. Preference would be for youth size, but as I stated earlier, I can always have the stock and or barrel cut down for the smaller boys.

    As always, I appreciate any advice that you care to share, and thank you in advance for your valuable input!
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    I got one of these for my grandson this past fall:
    http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firear...n22/915ys.aspx

    Your right about most youth models not being much but this is a VERY nice rifle that is VERY accurate! If you decide to go with the scope bases(they're Weaver style),which I did,you must get them from Marlin. One suggestion if you don't mind. Instead of a scope I mounted a Tru-Glo red dot sight which I've found is easier for the young ones to aim with. I honestly could not find a second choice bolt action rifle to consider. Price was around $180 I believe.

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    Find yourself a Chipmunk .22 rifle, then you will need something like or get a WINCHESTER Boy's model. And last but not least a WINCHESTER model 60 or 67. Boys are growing in and out of. Keep all three for each one to grow in and out of.

    No repeaters.

    Make them all slow and a pain to shoot. It's got to be drilled into their young heads, the fundamental for each shot.

    When they grow into the full size single shot, this is the time to teach young eyes the peep sight.

    This is basically what I did for my children and will do the same for my new grandson.

    I welded a grenade ring to the back of the bolt cocking piece for little fingers, they did not move into the .22 from their BB guns until they could cock the .22.

    When they could cock the BB gun (I loved it when we all would go to the store together, we had to make a run at trying to cock the BB gun.) Each year, plan on at least a case of .22 lr, per child. All the BB's they can haul to the truck.

    When they get to the hand gun stage of learning, I teach the never miss method. This one is tough!
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    I got my daughter the little Marlin single-shot youth rifle when she was about 11. Very nice gun, I recommend it. I got my boy the Henry Mini-bolt .22 when he was 6. It is definitely much lower-quality than the Marlin, but not as bad as the Chipmunk. The Marlin is still a little too small for him. He can operate the Henry, but the trigger is pretty bad. When he outgrows the Mini Bolt and the Marlin, I've got a Henry lever-action .22 waiting for him. That's a nice one -

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    I am going to buy my nine year old the CZ Scout this summer. It is a scaled down, high quality .22 caliber bolt action.

    http://www.czusa.com/product_detail.php?id=5

    They retail for about $225 here in New England.

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    I got... MYSELF a CZ 452 american and love it! I say CZ. You would have to prolly' cut it down though. Mine is very light and I think you could leave the barrel alone. The only down side is the 452 american does not have iron sights. I would also buy 3 extra stocks for them and cut those instead of the originals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cimarron8889 View Post
    I am going to buy my nine year old the CZ Scout this summer. It is a scaled down, high quality .22 caliber bolt action.

    http://www.czusa.com/product_detail.php?id=5

    They retail for about $225 here in New England.

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    CZ Scout, absolutely. All my grand kids get them for their third birthday. It has a little block that goes into the magazine slot that allows only single shot but it will take the standard CZ 5 and 10 round magazines for when they are ready. This adds versatility and the rifle can grow with them. This Scout is short in stock and barrel with a 12" LOP and has good sights. A slighter larger and heavier version is called the basic it has a 13" LOP and an 18" barrel and it comes with a five round magazine. The Scout is the gun the kids learn on and usually shoot it up to about age 10 or so then the basic. My 2 1/5 year old grandaughter will get introduced to her CZ basic this fall.

    This gun looks and operates just like a big gun and the kids learn to work the bolt, load, aim and squeeze by the time they are five, breaking clays at 25 yards. It is amazing what youngin's can learn so quickly. I love these high quality rifles and so do all my grandkids.
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    i got my 10 year old daughter that Marlin 915YS and she really likes it. Its very accurate and it's balanced quite well. I also tired it out and its hard to miss with it

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    I here ya man, I wanted a stainless, tube fed bolt for my 5yr old son.... Its not made according to Google. I let him shoot a couple different styles including a chipmunk and settled on the Marlin tube feed stainless 22mag. It doesn't fit him at all but he just kinda looks over the stock and makes it happen.

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    Started my two youngest out with a Ruger 77/22 bolt action. They were 4 and 5 years old at the time. When they got a little older and could handle a little recoil I had them shooting the New England Pardner Single shot 410 ga. shotgun. That was 14 years ago.

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    The CZ's are great rifles and the most accurate 22s I've shot for the price.
    My daughter and I both have one. It's fun to shoot 1-2 inch 10 shot groups at 100 yds on the range.

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    Well you are in luck. An unlikely ally has done all the research for you and all you have to do is compare the models.

    Yes, that's right. The worthless pukes at the Brady/Violence Policy Center have unwittingly assisted us in choosing guns for our kids.

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/22ap.htm

    You might want to drop them an e-mail like I did and thank them for their thoughtfulness.
    Now what ?

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    Wow, thanks stevelyn! That is a pretty comprehensive list and I saved a copy to my hard drive for future reference. I also took your advice and sent them an e-mail. Attached below for your reading pleasure!



    Greetings and thank you!

    While one could generally state that I disagree with virtually everything your organization stands for, and up until just a few minutes ago (a friend on one of our shooting forums sent me a link to your web site) was absolutely convinced that your policies, research, doctrine, information and efforts where utterly worthless and the epitome of the anti-American disease that is modern liberalism with an unabashed socialist slant. For that I apologize and stand corrected as I was quite pleasantly surprised to find one informative albeit small section on your web site about youth sized firearms. This has saved me a substantial amount of time in narrowing down my search for youth appropriate firearms for my three sons. Nice work on your research and thanks again!

    I once heard a wise man say that no man is totally without worth, and I guess the same holds true for organizations, no matter how ill informed or misguided. You are not totally worthless!

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    and here it is strait from the Anti gun crowd! Thanks again stevelyn!
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    I got my daughters each a cheap used single shot bolt action with a shorter barrel. You know the kind I'm talking about. They pop up in garage sales and the corners of gun shops for less than $100 each. Stocks were too long of course, so I hacked them short enough with a miter box and saved the pieces for later. After a few years I glued the butts back on. By then the girls were ready for repeaters and appreciated the looks of good guns. Read between the lines, and what I'm saying is that by the time they were big enough (about 10), they were kind of embarrassed by my hack job, and really appreciated the repeaters I replaced them with. If I was doing it over, I wouldn't have bothered to glue the butts back on, simply jumping right from the hacked single shots to good repeaters. Now I'm going to have to go back and hack off the butts so my grandkids can use them. The same applies to the pair of hacked off single shot shotguns collecting dust in the corner.

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    Congrats on the new addition to your family.
    Just to reiterate what Murphy said. The CZ Scout is great with the kids. They even let me shoot it every so often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alangaq View Post
    Wow, thanks stevelyn! That is a pretty comprehensive list and I saved a copy to my hard drive for future reference. I also took your advice and sent them an e-mail. Attached below for your reading pleasure!



    Greetings and thank you!

    While one could generally state that I disagree with virtually everything your organization stands for, and up until just a few minutes ago (a friend on one of our shooting forums sent me a link to your web site) was absolutely convinced that your policies, research, doctrine, information and efforts where utterly worthless and the epitome of the anti-American disease that is modern liberalism with an unabashed socialist slant. For that I apologize and stand corrected as I was quite pleasantly surprised to find one informative albeit small section on your web site about youth sized firearms. This has saved me a substantial amount of time in narrowing down my search for youth appropriate firearms for my three sons. Nice work on your research and thanks again!

    I once heard a wise man say that no man is totally without worth, and I guess the same holds true for organizations, no matter how ill informed or misguided. You are not totally worthless!

    Scott

    You are welcome. Some of us have been passing it around on other forums.

    Your e-mail is truly inspirational and much nicer than the one I sent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alangaq View Post
    My third son was born yesterday
    On May 20th? Any chance you were in Providence? My little shooter was born on Tuesday evening.

    Thanks for the thread, by the way. He's not quite ready to shoot yet, but I'm making notes on what to get him.

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    That email you sent was great, Scott. I'd be interested in hearing what their resonse was, if any.

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    I bought my son the Marlin 15Y several years ago. He is now 6'2" and it is still one of his favorites. I must admit I enjoy carrying it around as well. It is also one of our most accurate 22's.

    When I was looking at options, I ruled out any semi autos. The Chipmunk worried me because once the bolt was closed and the rifle cocked, the only way to unload it was to hold the cocking "button" and pull the trigger. This looked like an accident waiting to happen - especially with an 8 yo.

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