Well, I broke down and bought the Sporthill camo pants. Got them today. I made the "mistake" of trying them on a while back. I sure like the way they fit. These will replace my 5 year old 7 dollar pants. I figured I'd treat myself to something special this time around I also bought the gloves and hat. I like the gloves, a little tight getting them on, the wrist openings aren't that big but they have a nice close fit. The hat is WAY to big though. "One size fits all" as long as your head is giant size! I'll return it. Hopefully I'll be getting some sheep blood on them this year!