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    Default Unit 18 moose

    Im not getting anywhere on the Game management forum so I'll try here. Does anyone know why we have to wait till May to find out if unit 18 will be open to everyone for moose hunting again? Are they waiting for moose population counts or something?

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    Didn't know we had to wait until May? Where did you find this out.

    I know the locals raised holy heck about letting anyone in there last year with a liberal season. WHy I have no clue as not that many go out of their way to hunt that far down the river.

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    Obviously the folks on the game management forum aren't to clued in on the facts of game management in Ak. I'll help you.
    Unit 18 is almost totally fed land, Yukon Delta NWR. Until last may, all fed land in 18 was closed to all excpet those with C&T, or Customary and Tradional use history for moose. Last May, the Federal Subsistence Board (this is NOT the Game Board, boys) passed a proposal to lift that closure, so all of 18 was opened to everyone. At least for moose hunting. Like 375 said, even tho the moose pop is very healthy, and even approaching over poipulation, the locals raised a fuss about this. This year, AVCP in Bethel submitted a new proposal to close the area again. The reason you have to wait till May, is that is when the Fed Sub. Board will meet.
    So..........currently, all of unit 18 is still open to all moose hunters. If, the Fed board passes the AVCP proposal, the area will close again. However, the Office of Subsistence Management has opposed this proposal, the state opposes it, and I believe even the Delta refuge folks oppose it. This is a political move by AVCP and has no basis in biology or subsistence. At least that's my opinion.
    Hopefully, this explains it to you.
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    MT is spot on as usual.

    You have to also remember that Unit 18 is only open for moose hunting along the Yukon River and the Kanetok. The rest of the unit is closed for a moratorium.

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    I need to correct what I wrote, Thanks Kusko. Not ALL of 18 was opened last may. Only the parts along the Yukon River were opened. This is where the moose pop is so good. Most of the Kuskokwim drainage in 18 is closed with a moose moratorium.
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    Uhmm, and I know why AVCP put in the proposal. . . Lots of illegal activity in the area with non-local(resident) hunters.
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    I would like to see where you got that information MARV1.

    I find that hard to beleive until I can see some back up on that claim.

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    Default Here is the proposal

    In hopes of educating folks a bit more, here is a link to the Federal Subsistence Board website:
    http://alaska.fws.gov/asm/index.cfm

    On that homepage, hold your cursor over Laws and Regulations and then go to Wildlife>Current Regulations to see what the current regs are. Go to Wildlife>Regulatory Proposals to read the current proposals. The proposal in question here on Unit 18 is # 33. You'll need your browser to be able to handle pdf files in order to view it. Here is the text of the proposal; I've emphasized some of the changes and their reasoning behind these changes in bold. You can read into that what you will:

    Existing regulation: Unit 18—Moose
    Unit 18—that portion north and west of a line from Cape Romanzof
    to Kusilvak Mountain to Mountain Village and excluding all Yukon
    River drainages upriver from Mountain Village—1 antlered bull.
    Aug. 10–Sept. 30

    Unit 18—that portion north and west of a line from Cape Romanzof
    to Kusilvak Mountain to Mountain Village and excluding all
    Yukon River drainages upriver from Mountain Village—1 moose.
    The Yukon Delta NWR Manager may restrict the harvest to only
    antlered bulls after consultation with the ADF&G and the Yukon-
    Kuskokwim Delta Subsistence Regional Advisory Council Chair.
    Dec. 20–Jan. 20

    Unit 18 remainder—1 antlered bull. Aug. 10–Sept. 30
    Dec. 20–Jan. 10

    Proposed regulation: Unit 18—Moose
    Unit 18—that portion north and west of a line from Cape
    Romanzof to Kusilvak Mountain to Mountain Village and
    excluding all Yukon River drainages upriver from Mountain
    Village—1 antlered bull. Federal public lands are closed to the
    taking of moose, except by Federally qualified subsistence users
    hunting under these regulations
    .
    Aug. 10–Sept. 30

    Unit 18—that portion north and west of a line from Cape
    Romanzof to Kusilvak Mountain to Mountain Village and
    excluding all Yukon River drainages upriver from Mountain
    Village—1 moose. The Yukon Delta NWR Manager may restrict
    the harvest to only antlered bulls after consultation with the
    ADF&G and the Yukon-Kuskokwim Delta Subsistence Regional
    Advisory Council chair. Federal public lands are closed to the
    taking of moose, except by Federally qualified subsistence users
    hunting under these regulations
    .
    Dec. 20–Jan. 20

    Unit 18 remainder—1 antlered bull. Federal public lands are
    closed to the taking of moose, except by Federally qualified
    subsistence users hunting under these regulations
    .
    Aug. 10–Sept. 30
    Dec. 20–Jan. 10

    Reason for changing the regulation: This regulation should be changed until an accurate subsistence use amount in Unit 18 is determined. Additionally, an accurate count of the moose population needs to be completed and a regionally acceptable moose management plan needs to be developed. Effect of change on fish and wildlife populations: By closing the harvest of moose to non-Federally qualified users, the moose population would improve and continue to sustain itself due to the availability of breeding male moose populations.

    Effect of proposed change on subsistence users: By closing the non-Federally qualified user season, subsistence users would benefit due to the increased abundance of moose with less competition.

    Effect of proposed change on other uses, i.e. sport/recreational and commercial: The sport harvest would be
    closed forcing all user groups to develop a comprehensive moose management plan for Unit 18, which should have been done prior to the opening of the non-Federally qualified season
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    Proposed by: The Association of Village Council Presidents

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    That's a fairly general statement, Marv. What is "lot's"? Just what sort of illegal stuff was happening?
    There is illegal stuff that happens in most GMU's, hardly seems like a reason to shut off hunting for some folks when you got moose up the ying yang and long liberal seasons.
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    Default Rural Resident??

    What's it mean by rural resident? Do I have to be a "resident" of that GMU to hunt that GMU? From the regulations....

    ' Unit 18—Rural residents of Unit 18, St.
    Michael, Stebbins, Togiak, Twin Hills,
    Upper Kalskag, and Manokotak '

    It says it in other GMUs also.

    I failed to read the reg completely. It was for "subsistence hunting"......sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigHinER View Post
    What's it mean by rural resident? Do I have to be a "resident" of that GMU to hunt that GMU? From the regulations....

    ' Unit 18—Rural residents of Unit 18, St.
    Michael, Stebbins, Togiak, Twin Hills,
    Upper Kalskag, and Manokotak '

    It says it in other GMUs also.

    I failed to read the reg completely. It was for "subsistence hunting"......sorry.
    Yes - a res of that unit

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