For those of you who don't mind shooting a Remmy, on Friday Remington came out with a Rebate/Promo on a number of their shotguns and rifles. If you google Remngton 2008 Rebate Roundup, you may find a model that you have been thinking about. It appears that the rebate would be in addition to any deal you could make with a dealer/distributor as it is offered through Remington Corp. Happy shooting !