I just went off my bean and order a couple hundred of these for a theoretical project I have been tossing around for a few years. I have a Stevens model 325 in 30/30 with the detachable magazine that shoots great with a nice crisp trigger pull. I am going to buy a Lyman 22 cal bullet mould and cast up a bunch of 50 grain flat nose bullets out of pure Linotype (so I can also shoot them out of the Winchester 94 trapper) and set them into these sabot's and blast them down range to see how they do for a potential cheap varmint or plinking, trapping round. Any of you guys got any experience with doing this sort of thing or have any colorfull coments to add? Bring it on, I am interested to hear your thoughts. The web site claims about 3400 fps from the 30/30..............Hmmmm, Interesting!