I hate to be a forum pig but I am coming up with more questions the more I research. Sorry. My next question is about the alotted permits in the Kenai National Wildlife Refuge. It seems some guides get as little as 3 and some way more. Is there a general rule that the more expensive guides have plenty to go around? I just do not want to be told the day of my trip that the fishing is "way better somewhere else besides the wildlife refuge" so we will go there (because we don't have permits) Also does the general public need a permit or can they float at will?